It's been discussed elsewhere ad nauseam wether or not Clifford Marsden aka Cliff Morrison is the actual prodigy of Jim Morrison. I have decided to start the subject here because I sincerely believe we as a group are capable of exploring the issue in a civilized manner and not resort to ugliness. I just abhor ugliness... .


Also I think things have been things have been a little slow around here lately and we need to have a bit of lively discourse.


Here is my take on the situation: I don't know if he's Jim's kid or not. Let's discuss it.

Based on a fairly thorough discussion on the last board, and certainly before things turned ugly on this new board, I'm going with no as usual. There are many men of this age who bear a resemblance to Jim Morrison. This person is yet another. Just because Cliff can sing - which Jim, incidentally, initially couldn't, and certainly when he got it together, it was a very recognizeable and unique voice, nothing like Cliff's - and his mother tells him that Jim was his father, doesn't amount to a hill of beans when it comes to establishing his parentage.

I posted a link elsewhere here, in which a person claims that her mother told her ALL HER LIFE (I think it's a woman because of the screen name, i.e. Tajma) that her father was Jim. So, how come the mother of Cliff didn't do the same? Jim was dead by the time Cliff was old enough to sit up straight, so what difference would it have made? But this woman waits until Cliff-o comes back from some military service, all messed up on drugs, and then fond Mama springs the news. Makes no sense to me. What's the point of waiting? Wasn't Cliff even faintly curious about his father?

Cliff does not bear a resemblance to anyone else in the family, Anne, Andy, the Admiral or Mrs. Morrison, and really not to Jim. The family, although initially willing to consider this relationship, probably because he was introduced into the circle by Alan Graham, former husband of Anne, apparently changed their minds and Cliff is no longer welcome, and then some. Alan has loudly denounced Cliff as a grifter. This annoying individual, Floyd Bocox, about who I know little or nothing, nor do I care to, who took over as Cliff's artist representative, also has no time for him.

Now, Cliff has launched a campaign on the Doors' board, where he has found a supporter, and a shill for his website. As he has no proven relationship to Jim except this folderol of a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing, I guess he'll loll around there, providing fodder for the credulous, until everyone gets bored with the whole thing and it dies the death it deserves. I read some of his posts - reminds me of Charles Manson. Just a lot of raving and large fonts. Very childish. Someone should tell Cliff that brevity is the soul of wit, and to stop blathering. His 'father' didn't waste words.

Cliff is a tolerable vocalist, but his songs are pedestrian, he lacks any charisma, and he simply reminds me of a Southern bar band singer. Not that that's a bad thing, but this specious claim of being the son of James Douglas Morrison falls far short of being credible to me.

DNA tests are cheap - there is plenty of Morrison DNA around. And yet ...

I don't think it's much of a conumdrum.

Does John play the conun drum?

I have done some research, I have listen to many interviews and I have made my own opinion based on what I’ve seen.

The answer is no. I do not think that he is Jim Morison’s son.

All the interviews I have listened to made me sick to my stomach. He promotes his “father” and his “grandfather”.


This one the most: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gHKv6yzwMY
When the lady asked him to explain how he’s Jim Morrison’s son he completely ignores the question and goes on about a hair dryer?? Ok, perhaps buddy’s not OK maybe he need medical attention, or simply attention?

Anyways, until we have DNA proof, nothing’s certain.

Actually his music sounds a lot like The Tea Party, they were a Canadian rock band. I have seen them live may times, and the lead singer (I think) also has a thing for Jim Morrison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh0C3e0He2k...feature=related

I am I right? This dude looks more like Jim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCye7v79Tz0...eature=related??

He completly stole the Jim look lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8-Q2CVEjNE...feature=related

I don't mind who imitates Jim's look - which according to Tony Funches he wasn't all that fond of himself - but it goes too far when someone comes along with unsubstantiated claims, just because they fondly imagine they resemble Jim and their mother suddenly announces Jim is his father. You're right, this guy from TThe Tea Party also looks like Jim, and sounds a lot more like him too. Fortunately, he's not claiming any relationship, simply paying Jim the compliment of imitating him.

Ok, again this is my opinion, but I don't think Clifford’s mother told him he was Jim Morrison’s son, I think it was just made up in general.

But hey.

I do not know everything about this that has been posted in the past. I tried to follow the thread on LL but gave up lol. It made no sense what so ever anymore.
But from what I did read I don't think he is Jim's son. Maybe he believes it himself that he is. I don't know.
I thought it was good of him to start posting himself though.
But I don't know. I really don't know.

There is only one sure proof, and that's the DNA test that Cliff is avoiding, and that the Morrison family will not cooperate with any longer, though at one point they were willing to do so. They have changed their minds for reasons of their own, and I think this must be respected above all else.

It is NOT necessary to obtain Jim's DNA to establish a familial relationship, btw. Any one of the direct Morrison family would provide enough markers to establish that.

Absolutely true. The wishes of the Morrison family should be respected. So true.
I do wonder though what Andy and Anne's take on this is now though.
I saw a photo of Cliff and Andy together posted on LL before it got removed shortly after.
Was that photo made in the time when Alan Graham was supporting Cliff? Does anyone know that maybe?

Btw. Mike it's a grea idea to make this thread here. Making a sigh of relieve here cause here it is possible to have a normal discussion about this and ask questions.
Thanks U.

I'm going to guess the photo of Cliff with Andy was taken during the time Alan was still supporting his claim. Alan lives around the corner from where the Admiral and Mrs. Morrison lived in Coronado, and Andy was also living there, so they became friends as well as neighbors, despite Alan's divorce from Anne. These days, Andy lives in Hawaii, I believe. The Morrisons also extended a welcome to Ms. Kenneally, and I don't think anyone here believes her nonsense, so it goes to show that they were a rather trusting bunch at one time. What Anne thinks of it all, I can only imagine. I don't think she ever made any public statement, and of course would tend to steer away from matters involving her ex-husband, unless it directly involved their children, presumably.

That was actually pretty cool.

I don't mind when they do this. I like when singers are influenced by Jim to the point of imitation especially if the music, look and video are cool. I also like Wild Child - The Stooges meet Jim on vocals.

Wasn't that Desi Arnaz?

Hey don't get me wrong, I love The Tea Party, like I said I've seen them live plenty of times.

Anyways. I guess we can all agree we don't mind the imitations.


But its another thing to claim that the guy's your father. I seriously think he's not "stable".

Badass Babalu! Desi and the entire orchestra on the conundrum! Come to think of it, Desi looks a bit like Morrison, certainly in the last minute or so!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAV3bOJaQuY

Aah... but was that poster _him_?? My money is on "no". It's interesting that the ISP# "he" was posting from is the exact same number as someone else on that board. So either it was him posting.. and he's using the same computer as the other person (not likely).. or the other person was posting as both of them (more likely).

Oh.. and I just wanted to add that no way is this guy Jim Morrison's son.

I wasn't at his bris, so I can't say for sure who is parents are!! LOL

Remember the old episodes of Saturday Night Live when Jane Curtain and Dan Aykroyd would do Point/Counterpoint? Dan could argue the wrong end of anything and everything and always start off with the same catch phrase " Jane you ignorant f---king slut."

I don't know why I just remembered that probably because I'M about to just for the sake of argument argue the wrong end of this just as a little exercise in arguing and to keep this little monster I created before the crack of dawn today alive another page or so.

Here goes - When I first saw photos of Cliff his front teeth reminded me of Jim's whose clearly reminded me of Steve's. I felt at the time that it was a trait that could have been passed thru the male chromsome of the Morrison line. Then for awhile he had the undying adoration and support of the man you love to hate, no not Eric Von Stroheim, Alan Graham. It seemed when he had Alan's backing many self proclaimed experts on all things Morrison who shall remain nameless, did not take Cliff to heart. Now these same people are in support of Cliff now that Graham has denounced Cliff... .

I'M on friendly terms with Graham, he's crazy as a loon and he is who he is. BUT it would seem that his son is the eventual heir to the Morrison estate and legacy and it would certainly behoove him not to have another potential heir in the wings. Just a thought.

Lastly, given Jim's voracious appetite for women and the abundance of willing and adoring females available to him it might stand to reason that of the billions of seeds he planted, one somewhere did indeed find purchase in some soil somewhere.


In all honesty I haven't got a clue who the hell this guy is.

Faced with a difficult situation, my close personal friend, author Jim Cherry once advised me to plead insanity.

Do you mean him and LL member warriorpriesteres Diane?

I really don't know if I believe if it really was cliff posting. At one moment I did, then I did not and then I didn't know.
But he problaby wasn't.

That's why the Cliff Morrison thread was a total farce. And they gutted all the good stuff, and now it's just a dead fish in the water. No one wants to touch anything there for fear the DMB mods will ban them. Or, in what I believe, whoever the DMB mods really are, they appear to be shills for Cliff Morrison. They are protecting his interests on the Doors Message Board whether they believe it to be him posting, or if he is Jim's son, detracts from debating the subject to his core. They are attempting to sway the validity of Cliff as Jim's son based on the fabricated opinions of some really nutty people over there. Beyond nutty. I have now seen the light. MizScarlett is a mental loon. She proved it over and over and over again, I dread posting there. It's become senile, dysfunctional and fake. A constant glitch of the same repetitive questions "What was your first Doors album...?"

Ah yes. I hear ya. This is the reason why I don't post on there anymore.

Well, given that information, my no is even louder. Why is that the DMB moderators can also see the ISPs and continue to allow such nonsense? (That's a rhetorical question, btw.)

Yes, interesting isn't it? One of the experts has constantly drawn our attention to this document that Jim carried around, which proclaimed him unable to father any children. And yet Jim confessed to these experts (why I don't know), that he had two living children, but both fathered in or about 1967. It seems as if the swimmers became inert around age 24, then. Now, Cliff was allegedly born in 1969, so this seems to refute the document. All that aside, though, why didn't Cliff's mother tell him who his father was all along? I mean, didn't he ASK? "Hey, Mom, sorry to bother you, but who's my father?" It's not normal for someone to tell their child that some famous rock star is their parent after this child has turned 18. So, whoever came up with that fable, they should have thought that one through rather thoroughly, imo.



I don't believe Dylan or any of the other children will gain sole control of the Estate - it'll be split equally between all of them, however many there are. Eight? Anne's six and Andy's two, right? They are all heirs. And Anne shows no sign of illness of any kind, neither does Andy, and they currently share the responsibilities.



However, not a one of these women ever got pregnant, at least not by their admission.



I have a clue who he isn't. But he's getting more mileage out of this is he or isn't he than he could ever get from a real answer. Maybe he sold a couple of CDs this time. And, honestly, if he is Jim's son, so what? That would only be meaningful if he had had any contact with Jim as a parent. Otherwise, Jim was nothing but the sperm donor.

Let's just say that the person in question does some sort of publicity for Cliff.... so it stands to reason that the person will try to give him as much exposure as possible....meaning keeping him and his name out there... regardless if it's 'on the level' or not.

You'll notice I deleted a photo and a few comments from several posts in this thread. Because the person in the photo is no longer a member of this board and cannot post a rebuttal, I didn't think it was fair to take shots. Ok... call me a party pooper...

I believe that Dylan is pretty much in the driver's seat now.

I thought Anne was the chief cook and bottle washer at present. I know Dylan had a fair amount of input into the documentary from the Estate standpoint, but Anne seemed to have been the 'go to' person at least as Tom was putting it. Perhaps he's the only one interested enough in Doors doings. I'm not sure how old the other children are.

If Dylan is in charge, this might account for things like Converse sneakers, as those are the footwear of his generation. Or can Jeff pretty much proceed with the vote of the three remaining members in those sorts of circumstances, without input from the Morrison Estate?

You'd have to ask Jeff that question. My assumption however is that the 3 remaining members _and_ the estate would all have to be in agreement.

It makes sense to have Dylan at the helm - I imagine he was getting involved when his grandparents were still the executors, then.

My meaning was eventual heir. Does Andy have Children or Anne by another marriage?

Seems fair enough to me. I'll call you a party pooper when you say we can't drink wine and post, till then you are not a party pooper. I will not call you a party pooper. I will not argue or disagree if you want to be a self proclaimed party pooper. If your children call you a party pooper that would be between you and them. Until there is a majority agreement that you are in fact a party pooper, I will not refer to you in any way as a party pooper.


If a time came that the entire world labeled you a party pooper, I would become the ultimate dissenter of the decision and perhaps become a party pooper to the parties that would proclaim you to be a party pooper. If in fact I saw photographic evidence that you had indeed pooped on or near a party I still would not actually believe you were a party pooper.

If the actual poop was produced from said party and the photographic evidence was presented along side actual sworn testimony from eye witnesses that under oath swore to have witnessed the said party pooping, I still would have my doubts, therefore creating resonable doubt. Faced with the sworn testimony as well as photographic as well as video evidence and your own admission of guilt, I would by statute have to accept your plea of guilty.

Till then, you're the boss.

I am not sure I really care either way to be honest. I mean I hope Cliff finds out who his father is (if he doesn't already) but really if he is Jims son or not, it has no affect on my life.

lol... read this twice.. laughed both times. You have quite a way with words

Andy has two children, and Anne Chewning, formerly Graham, has children by her second marriage. She and Alan have three children, and Dylan is the oldest, I believe.

Take away Dylan's glasses and the recembelence with Jim is amazing. Just look at the photo's when Dylan gave the speech when the Doors got their star in Hollywood.

Can you post the photo?

First one I could find this fast.
There are several more though.

I hope I am not the only one seeing the recembelence. His mouth, his bone structure. I think it's there. I think he has a lot of his uncle.

Yup, I can see the family resemblance right there.

Thanks Mews.

That was my first reaction when I saw the photo the first time to.
And I think it's great that Dylan was there to be a part of this special event for the Doors, for his uncle.

Cool thanks for posting, I've never seen a picture of Dylan before. I think e looks alot like Steve.

Yw Sacha. And you are right. He does look like the admiral a lot. Can't beat those Morrison genes.

I like your new avatar Sacha, that Summer tan gives you a bit of a Mediterranean look.

Ha. Funny, people always think I'm Greek or Italian.

Anymore pictures of the Morrison Clan? Perhaps I could analyse the pictures and give you all a verdict.

Funny how certain traits pass down through generations. I recently saw a picture of my first cousin's grandson and was stunned to see how much he looks like his grandfather, great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather. I was enven more stunned to realize that I now know FIVE generations of my family. The men in the family all resemble each other, the women not so much.

I saw some picture of my grandpa's aunts and I look exactly like them teeth, eyes..everything, It was kinda scary. Lets see, my grandpa's 80 something..so lets say it does skip a few generations.

My husband has a Human kinetics degree I’m sure he could explain a few things lol.

Here's a couple more shots of Dylan.