i have problem with imageskack..i'll put pics again when possible

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You don't own any of these photos, therefore you can't decide where they can or can't be used.

I just posted one up on my refrigerator. I'M fairly judgement proof though. Still, I feel the same guilt as when I reused and uncancelled postage stamp in 1979.

If the stamp wasn't franked, that's their look-out. You paid for the stamp, or someone did.

These photos were or are the property of either the photographer or the Doors, if they paid for it.

I don't care who posts photos of the Doors, but statements that we're not allowed to use them, etc., is daft. But then, consider the source.

Is it still raining?

Those are great, HWY, some I've never seen.

I crawled underneath a chair once when I was about 3 or 4 and tore off a tag. I asked my brother what was written on it and he told me it said " Do Not Remove Under Penalty Of Law" and that they were going to have to call the cops on me.

I have been on the run ever since.

I think that's how Dillinger got started

That's along the lines of people who still have the tag on their pillow, telling them not to remove it. The language is so ambiguous, it doesn't address it to the retailer, so the consumer goes through the life of the pillow with this crackling great tag.

I'm calling the chair police, M. The jig is up!

what gives you the right to tell him what can or can not be used. not being such an authority. i cant imagine how (if) you ended up working in the doors office.
you're such a buzzkill.

thanks for the lovely pictures.

I didn't work at the Doors' office. I worked for Elektra. Try and keep up.

What gives me the right? The copyright laws of the United States that are in place to protect the rights of artists.

See the watermark from Bobby Klein? The photographer? That's there to protect his rights from little predators like HWY4371, who apparently seeks to violate those rights. Making themselves look good at the expense of someone else's work. If HWY4371 had taken each and everyone of those photographs, no problem. But he didn't. Therefore, he has no right to these images.

Now buzz off.

i think you're misunderstanding mewsical, HWY4371 didnt do anything wrong he was just saying that if jeff plans to use any of these pics in an upcoming doors books then he'll know the dates and who the photographer was. HWY didnt say anything about "where they can or cant be used" he was just being nice enough to provide the information that the doors music co. seems to having so much trouble obtaining (look at the doors by the doors, its embarrassing so many mislabeled/dated photos)

http://forum.johndensmore.com/index.php?showtopic=2868

oh yes...it seems to me clear..who talk about what pics can or can't be used...i talk about my "work", which can't be reproduce.....

Ok. Now I'm confused. You talk about 'your' "work which can't be reproduce(d)".. and you give us a link to a post you made where you cited a whole bunch of known photos taken by others. Are you trying to take credit for those photos?

i would have credit for pics because i post a link where there are correct date... i don't understand you...

hey man, fuck these people. They've lost the will to live.

here a link where jeff reply about my work
http://forum.johndensmore.com/index.php?sh...2489&st=200

I think we are getting in a tizzy here...maybe some misunderstandings. Thanks for the dates on the photos and yes the photos are copyrighted by their respective owners (to which only credit can go). These are probably just pulls from the internet where these photos reside on hundreds of sites.

"this work can't be including into no one site or forum. this is for this forum and RadioisMoaning.com only."

I think this passes for telling someone where they can or can't be used? Perhaps you missed it.

I'm well aware that Manuel has provided these before and that Jeff has responded. Like Jim said, these are generally available on the internet - I've certainly seen them all. If Manuel wants to go to the trouble of dating them, that's entirely appropriate as well. But he CANNOT tell people how or when to use them, as he has no rights to them, which is what he inferred by calling it "this work."

I remember actually being scared I was in trouble... . Just to be safe I keep the tags on things these days. I have a leather recliner that I have had since I moved into this house. Just for shits and grins I have kept the tags on it, dangeling from the left head area. I call it my " Minnie Pearl" chair. Minnie as you recall was the Hee Haw character that had the tags hanging off her hat. Years back when she died it was said that it was oriiginally a gaff made by the costumer, and they just left it on there for a laugh.

It's a similiar joke with me,I'M also thinking of how thrilled the next owner will be when he or she views it at my estate sale.

I think it's a joke Chris is pulling on us, saying these photos that he has no copywrite on can't be used elsewhere. It would be a hoot if the actual copywrite owner or owners dragged his butt into court and won a judgement against him for copywrite infringement, that being said it is a nice chronological collection of photos.

Live and let live ya'all and quit taking yourselves to seriuously. I have a friend that has recently aquired a rare recording. Not only will he not let me have a copy, he won't even say how he managed to get it. Like an episode of I Spy or Mission Impossible I think. He did agree to let me hear it, but only after a undergoing a strip search and a sweeping for electronic recording devices. He's a serious coillector.

As a cautionary tale, a friend of mine runs a fan website for a very well-known band, and has done so for about five years. She has a few downloads of live performances, photos, and the usual stuff that most fan-sites have. The site is known to one of the principals of this band, who was also gracious enough to invite our webmistress and some other fans to meet with him after a show a couple of years back.

Despite that, and the co-existence of another site dedicated to this same band which has been in existence for at least 14 years, my friend was suddenly contacted by the band's management and told to take everything off her site, chop-chop, or they'd take her to court. She successfully argued her way out of it, but had to argue with a relatively high-powered IP lawyer. Fortunately, she's a PhD and recently had to defend her dissertation, but even so this attack was unexpected and virulent.

The photos are fine, it was thorough of 'Chris' to take the time to hunt down the accurate dates and places. I thought his name was Manuel, though. But, let's drop it. I think the points have been made.

I didnt see that but again you're misunderstanding. The only reason he said that is because there are people out there who claim pictures as their own or try and sell them. He was trying to keep things official. Thats it. And he wasn't trying to post rare photos none of those photos are rare so idk why thats even an issue

I think HWY4371 was doing a nice thing, I didn't know some of those dates/locations. And out of all that you have to pick one sentence in which you didn't even understand his point and give him shit for it.

Well, let's just put it this way. In the recent past, I have received hate emails from this person, wishing me dead. He goes out of his way to attack me over here - calling me a liar and so on. Accordingly, I tend to not have much sympathy for him.

Perhaps that sort of thing is okay with you, but it's not with me, and if I see someone claiming copyright in 'this work,' further stating that it can only be used on 'this forum' and "RadioIsMoaning," an unofficial Doors archive, then I have to point out that, if I felt like it, I could take this entire string of photos and post it on Rockphiles and he'd have no legal recourse. Manuel doesn't 'own' this. He can request, but he cannot assert any rights under law. Henry Diltz can - and he can make it stick, too. So can Bobby Klein and the other photographers.

This entire collection of photos would be much better off being submitted to Dave Dutkowski, who is the official archivist for the Doors, btw. More likely to come to good use than as something to argue about here.

Mew's,has this fellow Hwy421 been hasstling you? Thats not right if he has.We can fix that if it keeps up.
best
TS
Off subject a bit but I possess 256 b&w negatives of the Stones in concert LA 1970's early with Mick Taylor playing,in 84 when I lived in the miricle mile district of LA I found them in the garage,shot for Bam magazine but no photographers name on them,some excellent shots never seen before.What to do with this fine dillemma?

It didn't have to be something to argue about. You turned it into that (apparently just because you dont like him and have no sympathy for him). I don't think the guy was trying to assert anything, English is obviously not his first language. Cut him some slack. His whole deal with this thread was for other people to help him date the photos he posted and post their own with the date/location/photographer or post some asking others what the date/location/photographer is. Thats it.

And you know in the past me and HWY have not gotten along he sent me some rude PMs for no reason and I've gotten into it with him. But I'm not gonna hold it against him or threadjack him when all hes trying to do is get a nice thread going

Wow, what a creep. I had no idea.

That sort really burns me up.


Wish he would be man enough to speak that way on the forum: apparently he only does it when he thinks he can't get slammed by it.

(I don't care if someone is confused/different, but when they are mean... they know what they are really made of. Last thing that sort wants is to be exposed for what they really are. Hate is ugly as hell and stupid as a brick.)

From my reading, he appeared to be seeking assistance from John, not others here, but as you point out, English is not his first language by a looooong shot.

I'm not threadjacking, just pointing out what I understood his meaning to be. Lost in translation, I guess. You see it differently, and that's fine.

Like I said, have at it with the photos. This is John's site and if he has issues, I'm sure he can address it, but the risk Manuel runs is that all the effort he's putting into this project can simply be appropriated by anyone who wants to, using the same conditions that he operates under.

And frankly, no, I don't like him, his emailed threats and public insults to me, and to others who knew Jim to a greater or lesser degree, and the accusations against Pamela - which Jim would have punched his face for, btw. It smells like Kenneally to me.

Let's agree to disagree.

I just don't know people like that. I don't care if someone slams me, I don't think it is good to go off and wish people dead who are just sweeter then they are.

On censoring: usenet is better about threads... allows for multiple threads to spawn off. I never like to see fights myself and generally ignore them. But I find weighty arguments always win the day. Usually that is what gets censored, when people can't fight against that, they get angry. Like China or N Korea. (I have done a lot of freedom software work.)

Good that you overlook the guy's bad stuff, though. I just ignore that sort, till they behave. Sometimes you have to use the carrot and stick, as well. People do change.



On topic, so as to not offend:

I like the photos and appreciate them being posted.

You can really see how the guys change. Jim really seems to mature in that last picture, especially.

Richard McCaffrey was Chief Photographer for BAM, and either did the shoot himself - quite likely - or assigned it out. You can contact Richard here and let him know what you got there. At the very least, if the original photog can be located, they owe you a finder's fee.

http://www.richardmccaffrey.com/

Agreed. I don't think in this topic Manuel was trying to be rude or start something up. Just a topic about dating the photo's correct wich he likes to do.
Yes his bad English makes it hard to understand him many times.
And I don't think RadioIsMoaning has anything to with this. Don't think they even know this topic excists. Doors management is fine with RadioIsMoaning and their unofficial photo archive and information. They work together on the new BMA site. It's all good.

Manuel isn't all bad. I do think however that he is wrong for sending you those insulting pm's Mews. And yes agreed that should stop.

Thanks, MJ.

Yw lady, I hope the pm's to you will stop. I do.

We should all be able to enjoy the Doors' music without choosing sides. That's what it's all about.

Exactly.

april '68--- -------------gemma studios-n.y.----------Guy Avedon


I was wondering what book this pic was taken from with the albert goldman article. Interested to read it.

thanks.

The photographer is the world-famous Richard Avedon (there is no Guy Avedon), and my guess this is from a book of his photographs called "The Sixties," published in 1999, or one of his other published collections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Avedon

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw_0_11?...fix=richard+ave