First of all, my spouse has two brothers and it never entered his mind, even when asked, he replied that he would never sue either of his brothers.

Secondly, the Doors and Management can ask that people talk with more civility to each other, however, they cannot mandate the emotional toll that all this has taken, all the water that went over the damn got spilled everywhere.

Dirty laundry that some of us didn't know even existed has been exposed and some of us placed laurels at the feet of people who never deserved them.

Everyone is human and is fraught with the delicate business of being a human being, but I daresay that I can be as civil as the next person, but let it be known that my feelings would never betray me.

I am principled and know where I stand and no one, is going to change that.

I don't think, after all is said and done, that it is fair to ask that all the fans "kiss and make up and be lovey dovey.

That innocence has been taken away forever and shall not ever return. That is the price that we, as fans have paid, to come to know the truths of the matters, as we all interpret them. As they say, say it ain't so, Joe, but it WAS so.

We can be asked to be civil and I hope everyone shall be, even though the folks with an agenda as well as those who have none will continue to be slaves to them and to be run from their own private demons that surely down the line, everyone pays a toll for.

I am glad that finally, I, can understand how persons DO lay laurels at the feet of people whom, had they had better information, never would have. In hindsight, what a long great trip it's been.......and what an indelable lesson we all have been tossed, no matter what side of the coin one feels that they are in.

To civil conversation!!!!

Thank you.

Since none of us are in The Doors members' shoes, it's difficult to say how we would have handled the same situation. And believe me, as a lawyer, I can tell you that when it comes to family disputes, most commonly in estate/probate proceedings, the gloves are off and the blood is thin among family members. This is more common than not.

My biggest surprise was that the lawyers on all sides were not able to persuade the parties in this matter to settle prior to trial. Only 3% of all civil cases go to trial. I learned in my first year of law school that one of the skills of the top lawyers is the ability to negotiate, to compromise, to settle disagreements versus taking them to a jury.

I believe Jeff Jampol's intention was to put a stop to the below-the-belt name-calling that was going on at the Lizard Lounge. Disagreements are normal. It's the mean-spiritedness conflict wars that cause irreparable damage.

Talk radio purposely alternates the callers so some agree with the host and others disagree. It makes for lively discussions. Let's face it, life would be pretty dull if everyone thought the same way and came on these boards writing, "Why, yes, I agree with you one hundred percent," and "You are so right, now I see the light," ad nauseam.

First of all I for one do not fall for the so called statement of the band of brothers at the top of this forum which is done more out of necessity than out of brotherly love but I will abide by the general concencus and will try my best to keep it civil and have the craic about The Doors without letting the dark side take me over.....
That does not mean my opinions of individuals have changed it just means that I will make an effort to not allow those opinions to prevent me talking to fellow Doors fans and respecting them as fellow Doors fans.
It all went a bit too far and its good to see that all parties are at least beginning to realise that and are trying to do something about it.
As well as being back on the LL I have even joined Rays forum as I have always enjoyed talking about Rays solo work.
Maybe it will all end in tears but at least we can say that (most of us anyhow) gave it a shot.
My view of The Doors has changed a lot in the last couple of years but I still love the band and the music so will concentrate on those elements as best I can.
No more rose tinted view of this band sadly but its nice to be able to converse with other Doors fans on official circles without having to be confrontational so well done to those who sorted the boards out and gave us a chance to be Doors fans again.....

I agree with both of you.....it is a shame that this couldn't be settled out of court and it is hard to understand why...but there it is.

Mean spiritedness, name calling and such vituperative behavior is totally unnecessary and I am glad that it has been discouraged, but as life is change, there are things that I know about certain persons that I wish hadn't have been so, and need to deal with, and that is what I am talking about

......the so called "loss of innocense" or whatever that has changed forever regarding certain personae and really, does, if you are a hard core fan, (please don't start a fight about who/what a hardcore fan is, Im just using this in a way of semantics, meaning nothing more or less, not to inflame or instigate rancor, regarding anybodies take on the band) it takes a while to digest, swallow, grieve, let go and start anew.....and get back to the music.



take it easy,

ptlwp

An issue of some emotional intensity has been following you around, so to speak, and you just can't seem to shake it. Well, that's about to change, and quickly, too, so prepare yourself.
Aries



This looks like an excellent projection; I hope it does come about!!!!

This is the weird thing about forums. We get into areas like the business of running a band, or the surviving members current business. Usually, I don't like to read about it or comment on it, but I've noticed the on-going fascination with all the crap and dirt. For me it will always be about the music, the sound coming outta my speakers. I never bought into the Jim Morrison "act". To me he was just one of 4 instruments in the band. Sure he wrote lyrics, poetry, and was good at it, but mostly it was his sound for me. All the Lizard King, Shamen stuff was part of the act. It was rock'n roll, afterall. Jim posessed aA voice so unigue, and intense. He had fantastic vocal ability too. Understood dynamics.
I've been in bands on and off since I was eleven years old. Unfortunately, more often than not there were personality issues within a group of musicians. In the case of The Doors, add Drugs, Alcohol, Vast sums of money, management, employees, good and bad business deals and the aduration of millions of fans. It figures that some band members will behave well and some won't. Now I don't know for a fact all the internal workings of The Doors, but only a few brief impressions and hearsay. I've never met any of them. We know there's been rifts and disagreement for the surviving members. They are people like everyone else. I do they believe they were and still are family. There is nothing worse than prolonging a rift and not speaking than missing your chance to make it right. I hope they do let by-gones be by-gones. Perhaps it's possible that these 3 great musicians can "patch it up" as Elvis used to say. Perhaps they will come up with some new music as The Doors, perhaps they won't. If not we just have to accept it and enjoy what they gave us, great music, and a ton of it. Matt

If this were an ordinary band, no one would give a hoot!! This band was/is different in too many aspects to go into length here. It's of course, the music, but attached to it are things that no other band, to my knowledge got albatrossed so severely. That's just the way the albatross flew..........or perhaps, the Flying Dutchman.

Matt replies: I agree. In no way was the band ordinary. Please expand on what you mean by albatrossed.

As in sailors, albatross being a bad sign, I liken that to the signs of Jim's genius/creativity being destroyed by his demons and his vices. The Doors, as a band, had an albatross 'round their necks, so to speak in the sense of booze and drugs, etc.

I see what you mean... No matter what level of creativity and smarts we have, we are still human and we can still get sick. Addiction and/or abuse of drink or other drugs is an equal opportunity destroyer. If you keep up the bad behavior it will sure as shit kill you or screw with your talents and creativity. Perhaps in Jim Morrison's case I'm over simplifying. In his profession, I'm sure the pressures could be extraordinary. Many folks never seem to learn from the earlier tragic examples. Many of us have relatives that passed on too soon, or know of someone famous who ignored earlier examples of people who self destructed. I think of some of the crap I injested as a young man and I'm thankful that I was able to walk away from the drug use. Many of my friends I grew up with, did not and they are sick or gone.
Matt

I think part of what makes The Doors stand out as a unique band, away from the musical genius of the band (which has always been my first and last reason for being a Doors fan) is the way in which the band has courted controversy and condemnation, 99.99% of which has been wholly unjustified.

I've always struggled to get an accurate picture of America's feelings towards The Doors. Over here, we have this incredibly scary cottage industry dedicated to brainwashing everyone into believing that 'The Beatles were the best band in the history of music.' The average guy in the street (called the 'White Van Man' in the UK!) has been raised not only by the culture around him but by the British education system to believe that this opinion is as incontrovertible a fact as 2+2 = 4. It's scares the shit out of me! I love The Beatles, brilliant band in parts, and Lennon, an amazingly complex human being. But the complexity and nuance of the band has become lost to most of us over here. Is it this way with The Doors in America? I see clips of the D21C/ROTS playing shows like CNN News/Good Morning America and Jay Leno/Conan O'Brien and the like and I have to assume they are still a household name to all Americans. It really isn't the case in Britain in respect of The Doors. If you ask most average non-music nuts over here if they've heard of The Doors, they'll say "no, sorry." But if you say have you heard of Light My Fire, Riders On The Storm, People Are Strange, The End, Hello I Love You, Break On Through, they'll say "Oh yeah, that Van Morrison bloke is great!!!"

And then you have all the dark side crap. The bullshit from people who claim to know better about music who say, 'Oh yeah, he was that heroin addict, he was that guy who hired prostitutes' and far worse still that I wouldn't write on a message board. If The Doors can survive this kind of horrendous offensive disgusting lying and nastiness from the outside world, it just serves to convince me that they will in quick time move on together from the American age of lawsuits back into a mutual respect for each other's visions and creativity that we all have to admit, when they're combined, become far greater than the individual creative genius of any one band member. That's another part of the magic of The Doors. The combined talents of Ray, John, Robby and Jim created something so much bigger than the sum of it's parts. It became genius, then legendary and then mythical. I sincerely believe they won't allow themselves to be dragged down by the excess produce of this process (ie, hype, fights, arguments, bickering etc.). The point about the age of the lawsuit in America that I allude to is that The Doors have (maybe unintentionally) served as a mirror on the American psyche and way of life. In the mid to late 60's they didn't just reflect the massive hippy vibes going on, they also showed with great clarity the dark side of the liberal American dream, but never to the point of destroying themselves, as so many innocent hippie foot-soldiers tragically did. In the 21st Century, The Doors are again reflecting the American psyche, a part of it's originality lost now, not through any real fault of it's own, just those unique qualities of a nation that will fade and die (and eventually be replaced by something else) when the newness naturally passes, just as in a way, someone like Jim was doomed and fated to be one of the ultimate sacrifices. There is the lawsuit culture, which even our beloved icons have succombed to, but yes, it makes them all the more human (and maybe noble/divine...). America's weaknesses are often jumped on by those who would love nothing more than to see America suffer, just because America has had the brilliance to do better than the rest for a long time.

But with all of this, comes the music, unchanging, the reflection of the true soul of America, unchanged with the passing of time, becoming richer in fact, like a fine Californian red wine. There was something so beautiful about seeing The Doors of the 21st Century in New York back in 2003. They reflected the moment in a way that only the music of The Doors could. It was a new beginning for them, and a new beginning, emerging for New York was happening at the same time. The fears were beginning to fade back to a reasonable level for New Yorkers (and Americans as a whole) to a point where I think you could all start seeing the world in less defensive ways again. This will be a long process for a society as diverse as the USA, and four years on from the strangest day of all, I think the process is on some levels of great credit to the average American citizen. I sit here as a Briton, fascinated, bewildered and embroiled in this psyche. The Doors have always articulated this through their strengths as musicians and weaknesses as noble and imperfect human beings. With Ian's arrival into this incredible whirlpool, we Britons who care enough become ever more intertwined with it all.

Us fans here on these boards have had a very hard time coming to terms with the fact that our four favourite myths/heroes have a reality of being that is imperfect, defensive, argumentative and even bad-tempered sometimes.

It is a complex scenario to be a true Doors fan. You end up surrending a piece of yourself (the size of which is up to each individual) over to the higher consciousness of being that Doors fan. I've given a pretty large piece of myself over to my Doors-centred life, but I don't regret it because the band have argued and the fans have argued (including me of course - some of you will vaguely remember my uber-rants in the past! ). As America moves on and drags the odd Brit and 'nation-other' citizen along with it, so The Doors will perform the same invaluable and under-loved act for all their fans. We may not always like the questions The Doors ask of us as musicians and as human beings, but the answers we find with this unqiue band make the pain of the process a very small price to pay in the long run...

Daniel, PK

I don't think that The Doors are (or ever were) a true "household name" in America, not like The Beatles or The Rolling Stones. I mean, The Doors were very popular among young rock/pop fans back in their day and they've continued to fascinate through the years, but it's nothing like what you're talking about regarding Britain and The Beatles. Even Oliver Stone's movie wasn't a big hit, grossing just $35M domestically in 1991 despite a $38M budget.

Interesting to know that. It's always been a little unclear to me just how The Doors are regarded/perceived.

Ya know, I used to love The Beatles, until it became clear to me just how commercial f**ked over the whole project had become. The band members I still think individually are/were nice people, especially George Harrison .

Interesting post PK. I've always looked at music more in terms of a reflection of where I was rather than necessarily a country's path or time in place (as you pointed out). That is not to say music such as The Doors can't be applicable to that.
I think one of the great strengths of The Doors music is that they tried to not necessarily attach themselves to a particular time and space. They did not take on a particular "hot bed" topic in a song (whether it was the Kent State shootings, Helter Skelter, Senators Son - whatever). The closest they even seemed to come to all that was maybe The Unknown Soldier. Even that had vague aspects however.
The music to me was more an aspect of psyche. Questioning. It was all personal. And it wasn't just the words in the music. That beat, that hypnotic bass line - there was a certain seriousness about that (hell testosterone) combined w/ the words that things were not all shits and giggles. Hence, my outlook was skewed a bit not to be all shits and giggles. If you are receptive, that will change you. Use it correctly and it will be a positive thing. It drives change individually and then as a whole (in our own little way) we drive change that becomes a bigger part of the sums. By saying that, it is not as simple as saying I am who I am because of The Doors. It is merely a catalyst to drive from what you are made of, be it from environment, heridity, etc. There are a whole host of "make up" aspects of an individual that are important. Hopefully for the good. You know, maybe I am being a little idealistic about the power of music or even giving it more credit than it deserves. But I have always maintained, it is a powerful fuel which can universally be the catalyst. Then the aspect of us as individuals can take over. I guess that is why I am so dissappointed now. We have change BEGGING to be made based on values - hell morals - and we are missing the RIGHT fuel. AND, we are missing the individuals. We have plenty of fuel driving a negative catalyst. I'm reminded of a new movie out w/ a heavy sound track of music called "Get Rich or Die Trying". We're bankrupt it appears at least on a mass level. Is it temporary? I hope so.
Oh yeah, concerning your question on The Beatles, my God they are ingrained in every aspect of every individual that I have ever ran into. Concerning The Doors, they are simply ingrained in the ones who were receptive.
Jim

It probably worked in their favour to NOT become a houshold name in America as it gave them the flexibility to transcend the ages and become something 'cool' to each subsequent generation and therefore not fall into the trap many many bands did of being branded 60s or 70s or 80s......The Doors music can even find a niche with 21st century music tastes....(and I mean Doors music not the tribute band Ray runs!)
Here in the UK The Doors acheived very little in the 60s really and were a one hit wonder with HILY....I remember that nobody was talking about them in the schoolyard at the time which was always a hotbed of various pop music tastes when I went to school.
The Beatles were just lucky as they hit the scene just when something 'new' was needed (lets face it they just nicked their act from the other Liverpool bands of the time) and they had an image that sent young girls crazy so they appeared in the right time and place and were feted as the saviours of music at that time.
My sister and my mum went nuts over them in 1962 when Love Me Do became a minor hit here and in no time at all they were the darlings of the media.....The Doors never acheived that status because they were too smart for the media and avoided the obvious trap of letting the media call the agenda as The Beatles did.
The Beatles were less of a talent than The Doors but were easier to market by the media as they did not cause as much anxiety to parents .....although I must say my mum liked the Doors in 1971 and was a fan of LA Woman....
I for one never liked The Mop Tops at all and for somone aged 7 or 8 who was subjected to them daily that was quite a feat......I guess thats why I liked bands like The Doors.....I preffered bands with a bit of substance.......The Beatles survive today from the legacy their hype created in the 60s and 70s....The Doors survive because Jim died in mysterious circumstances....The Beatles are always a safe choice but there is always 'something not quite right' about The Doors.....
Thats why they ingrain themselves into each new generation of music fans...they are inexplicable, deep and consequential to the era they exist in at the time......I have seen it happen in every decade from the 60s....The Doors infuse themselves into the consciousness of the music of the day and influence and alter the perceptions of that music. They have done it with Goth, Punk and several other music genres over the years. Pretty amazing for a band that Joe Public can't even remember even existed......

I guarantee you that if some major Hollywood director (such as Oliver Stone) were to make a movie about The Beatles, it would be the entertainment story of the year and would gross at least $150M, possibly $200M or $300M (or more). Even $500M or $600M might be possible.

*For an example of the schism, my mother was born in 1948 and lived in a former British colony before coming to the U.S. in 1971. She was well aware of The Beatles and The Rolling Stones and started liking Simon and Garfunkel and The Allman Brothers Band after coming here, but she had never heard of The Doors until I introduced them to her.

I'm curious to see how the new bio-pic about Johnny Cash will perform at the box office. Ray, about Ray Charles, of course, grossed a healthy $75M last year; on the other hand, Bird, Clint Eastwood's visually and psychologically dark exploration of Charlie Parker, grossed all of $2M in 1988.

My guess is that if you were to mention the names "Ray Manzarek," "John Densmore," and "Robby Krieger" to 99.5% of all Americans, the responses would be "Who?," "Who?," and "Who?"

Hi Jim,

Yeah - I definitely get your point about the band being one that questions the listener personally. Philosophically, they have the ability to make a listener question their 'intuitions' about life on the subjective level and what is going on in a person's immediate surroundings. Maybe the reflection of a country or world writ large that I picked up on is co-incidental, or maybe more likely, the product of thousands of people being 're-tuned' a little by The Doors music, whether they realise that it's The Doors at work or not!

Heck, I didn't realise Ray ran the band... That must be fun for Robby, Ian, Ty and Phil... All of them accomplished musicians for a generation and they're all happy for Ray to run the band! Good for Ray, he must be quite a leader... And these tribute bands hey, always playing these small crappy venues, like the PNC Bank Arts Centre, Jones Beach, Wembley, Le Zenith Paris, the MEN Arena Manchester, The Point Dublin. All of them, little wine bars and pub fleapits!!! Shame for them really, such small crowds of 10,000 to 20,000 a night. That must really get them down, playing in front of so few people!!! But you're right, they are just a tribute band of course...

Yes thats exactly what THEY ARE glad you have the brains to figure that one out

In all fairness, unlike the usual make up of a tribute band - that is members who had nothing to do with the original band - there are 2 members formerly of The Doors PLAYING in this band. So you do get to hear Robbie on guitar and Ray on keyboards. Many people do and/or may get enjoyment from that. Having said that, it's not The Doors, it's Riders On The Storm. I think we can all certainly agree on that definition can't we?
Jim

The Doors' music is timeless and unique, and there will always be fans in each generation.

Yeah, I agree they are The Riders On The Storm...but only because Ray and Robbie tell me to agree! I'd call them The Kinks if they ask nicely!!!



Ha ha! I like your humour already! You British? 'Cos that level of dry sarcasim is beyond most Americans!!!

Getting back to the point, yes, blood is thicker than water. And that's why The Doors will sort it all out soon. They look like they're already beginning to, so that's a good thing.

PK

It's two, two, two bands in one.......stops bad music in seconds; tastiest hooks of all......

Trust me, if your mother lived in California during the 1960s as I did and still do, she would definitely have heard of The Doors. They had the number one song in the country during the summer of 1967. Light My Fire played on the radio constantly, and my friends and I would guess whether or not the radio station was going to play the long version or the short one. The Allman Brothers never had a top ten hit.

Of course, no group in history ever was more well known than the Beatles. The Rolling Stones have been performing for 40 years, so it's natural people from all walks of life have heard of them. If the Stones broke up in 1971, then I'm afraid a lot of people in 2005 wouldn't know a thing about the Stones except as an oldie group.

A movie about the Beatles? Nah, that story has been told too many times, including by the Beatles themselves. Jim was unique in the world of rock 'n' roll. His genius, tortured poet soul, extremely beautiful looks and mysterious death made him a compelling and controversial movie subject. Alas, the film (in my opinion) did not capture one iota of Jim's charisma. It deserved to flop. Stone had no idea what he was doing, and that is evidenced by his being alienated by Ray and Robby (I'm not sure about John).

I saw the Stones last week in San Francisco. Mick, at 62, has the same energy he had in the 1960s. The guy never stood still during the entire performance. I went to see "Walk the Line" on Friday, mostly because a friend wanted to see the film. Joaquin Phoenix did a phenomenal job of "being" Johnny Cash. To me, it was a long, long movie (2 hrs 15 mins), and I was happy when it ended in 1968, fearful the film would go through until Johnny's and June's deaths more than 30 years later. I haven't heard how it did at the box office, but I doubt it's the type of film that would attract the ideal target audience, 18 to 34-year olds, who (no offense meant) would rather see action and horror movies.

(I just heard on the radio that "Walk the Line" did $22.5 million; "Harry Potter" was over $100 million.)



Annie

bla bla bla.. .why is the popular thing around here, and on the main boards, to bash Oliver Stones movie?????

And whats funny, is its always ,bash bash bash... Ive almost never seen anyone post what could have been done to make it better?

Should we remake it now and let Ian play the part? bloddy hell already.


You all should sit back and think about just how hard it would be to please you in a doors movie..... And the end result.... would probably be this happy lil fairy tale.... of 4 guys coming together and living happily, and Jim always smiling being nice to people, never drunk, never stoned, never late for a gig or a session. And to think, i get accoused of being the Jim lover because i dont like Ray and Robbys new band?


oh yeah, i just got back from the Johnny Cash movie..... was pretty damn good.... Jamie Foxx def pushed that bar up on the "impersonation" scale.... and i think Jacqu...however its spelt and Reese just pushed it up even higher. Sorry Val but your Jims no where near these performances.....

Foxx's piano playing (which was all legit) vs Jac's and Reeses vocals (which yes they really sung) now thats an intriguing discussion.

$22.5M is still a pretty strong opening, though. I'd say that the film has a shot at a $75M domestic gross, which is quite respectable.

I don't particularly care to see a Beatles movie, but I do think that if a major Hollywood director such as Oliver Stone decided to make it, the grosses would fly through the roof and the critics would be fawning over and critiquing the band ad nauseum. And to be sure, The Doors enjoyed more popular success than the Allman Brothers, but there was a certain eccentricity to the group (both in terms of aesthetic style and image) that frequently placed them "outside the box." When Italian director Michelangelo Antonioni set out to make a film about the iconoclastic American counter-culture (Zabriskie Point, 1970, set in California and the Southwest) and wanted to incorporate some of the popular rock sounds of the day, he looked into The Doors but ultimately decided to go with The Rolling Stones, The Grateful Dead, and Pink Floyd instead. The Doors were somehow different, somehow deeper, which makes it sad that the tagline for Mr. Stone's movie is the trite, "The Ultimate Story of Sex, Drugs & Rock 'N' Roll." The Doors were so much more.


Note: I'm not bashing the movie because I've yet to see it (and have no plans to), but the tagline strikes me as cheap, hyperbolic, and misleading.

I agree with you. I'm glad they made a Door's movie. I thought it was great. So it wasn't totally accurate. Maybe that's what Oliver Stone wanted. To me the movie seemed surreal, almost dreamlike. Be glad they made a movie. If Ray didn't like it, why didn't he make Door's movie and shut up and quit bitching about what Oliver Stone did.

Anyone ever seen the WW2 movie "Big Red One"

The opening line of that movie, is fucking AWESOME, and i just watched it a few weeks ago.... and that line just kinda poped back in my head reading about the doors movie/bashing.....


"This movie is a fictional story about a factual life"

I think I heard Robby say that The Doors movie should have been surreal.

I saw a 1940's movie, Daphne DuMaurier's Rebecca with Sir Laurence Olivier and Joan Fontaine....

Great Book..great movie....they don't make 'em like that anymore.

Although I saw the movie three times in the theatre and several times on DVD, my only complaint is that Val Kilmer did not capture Jim's intelligence and charisma. Val had his walk, his mannerisms, and the voice down, but failed to carry Jim's presence, for lack of a better word. I expected a better film from Oliver Stone. Good thing he didn't cast Travolta, Stallone, Costner or any of the others lined up for the role of a lifetime, though. BTW, I am kinder to Stone's movie depictions than most people who saw it.

AM

Yikes ... Travolta, Stallone, and Costner would have all been terrible ...

all 3 have a pact through the music they created together. through their times over the decades Ray,Robby, and John inspired many with the music the made.. nothing can change that.

Number one, The Stones willl be remembered for Brian Jones; the lead guitarist and founder of the group, no other member of that band was a musician except for Brian Jones. You did not see musicians if you went to see Keith and Jagger.
Two, You cannot compare Duane Allman to Robby Krieger without getting a proper response. Robby will never be able to get anywhere near Duane Allman's natural ability . Duane Allman was a musician, Robby is not. You can even ask RK yourself about the matter. Robby practices guitar, Duane invented as he played.
Eric Clapton is far from a musician, he pretends though. Duane Allman saved the Derrick and the Dominos sessions.

Alienated by Robby? Robby was in the movie, so was Paul Rothchild, Patricia K, and Densmore.
Only Danny knows the truth about what truthfully went on , too bad for us.

Walk The Line sucks! Phoenix pretends to know how Johnny Cash played guitar. I object to this, Cash spent his life learning the guitar, Phoenix came along and sat with a teacher for a few weeks learning chords.
There should not have been any performance shots with Phoenix with a guitar. I am sceptical about the new Hendrix movie, if they put a guitar in Andre 3000's hands it is over right there.

Hi, MeagerFood here (formerly CodaQueen444)...
Joe.....I needed to respond to your post without sounding like a smart-ass.
When you stated the Doors were not a "household name" ...how would you know that?
True, your mop tops caused a sensation when they first hit the United States, with their bubblegum lyrics. At least the Rolling Stones had some depth to their songs.
Oliver Stone should have never made a movie on the Doors. He may consider himself an informed, avid fan...however, his portrayal of the band on film proves otherwise. The Doors movie was a major disappointment, lucky for him he grossed 2 cents because that is about all it was worth.

Hi MeagerFood521!

Oh God! I am happy, that I can hear ideas similar to me!:) I too think as well as you! Really that the cinema " The Doors ", was not completely corresponding a real life. And I against this order in the film. These are ideas and a variant of the director. Please, it is not necessary to confuse a life and fiction which to everything, the director is not known. I could look through it many times, and each time I found a new negative. Jim at cinema completely the negative character, and all other sacred... As it is sad, that all so. People who look it the first time, think, that Jim there was such, and it not the truth. And how can someone know, what occurs in a head at other person? It is the version, and very much not successful... And still, Jim has left for Paris not simply so, I think this everyone remember... And at cinema about it have told nothing. I would dream to remove other film, but it would be absolutely other, deep image only...It is film would be not direct about The Doors, and about a similar life.
Val