I believe Jean de Breteuil (aliases Jean De Bretti and Jaime de Bretaille) murdered Jim Morrison by purposefully having his dealers deal Jim pure heroin at Rock n Roll Circus where he died July 3, 1971. Motive? He was in love with Pamela Courson, Jim's common-law wife. Yes Jean was dating Marianne Faithful as well at the time of Jim's murder but that was all a cover. Sadly Pamela was complicit in the cover-up though she may not have known Jean's plan in advance. Pamela, guilt ridden and hating Jean just as Marianne always had, abandoned Jean and the situation back to the States. Pam, having been inadvertently responsible for his death through her heroin use, affair with Jean, and bringing Jim into the mess in Paris separated from all his friends, later prostituted and self capitulated in a guild-ridden spiral. Jim always saw Pam as his soul mate, his one tru love, but her infidelity with the Count and his subsequent love for her resulted in his intentional murder of Morrison. That is tragedy. Everyone knew Jean provided the heroin that killed Jim and he would forever be linked to responsibility for Jim's death. Jean would self-capitulate himself the next couple of years as his murder of Jim gained him nothing (Pam) and now he knew everyone he knew despised him.

Why, if true, is any of this important? Don't dig up old wounds right? Because Jim's legacy in part depends on his demise. Jim always focused on the End. Death. How ironic that his death is shrouded in so much mystery. Well, for one if Jim was murdered then that is how history should report it no matter the highlighting of the drug situation. Not a heart attack. Not self capitulation. Had Jean not had his confidantes deliver the intended deadly dose Jim very well would still be with us. Think about how much more he would have done even if it was a caricature of the past. Think about what he thought in those fleeting seconds when he knew what he had just ingested would kill him in moments and would meet the End earlier than he expected and at the hands of Jean who he knew loved his woman. Jim deserved better from everyone. Pam. His fans. His family. The band. The press. He gave so much and was always a trusted/loyal friend based on everything I have read.

We owe Jim, his family, his friends and fans to say with a 100% confidence this hypothesis is not valid.

I hope it was self capitulation.

Reference the article in UK's "MailOnline" entitled "The shocking truth about how my pal Jim Morrison REALLY died" by Peter Allen
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/artic...EALLY-died.html

and

The Rolling Stone article "The Last Days of Jim Morrison" June 16, 2004 Stephen Davis
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/thedoo...of_jim_morrison

Both provide some foundation for this hypothesis.

An excerpt from the MailOnline article....

Sam Bernett (Manager, Rock N Roll Circus in his new book 'The End - Jim Morrison' alleges that Morrison died of a massive heroin overdose in the toilet of a nightclub he was managing
"He pushed Jim's head back, lifted his eyelids, opened his mouth, and fixed his ear to his chest to listen to his heartbeat. He looked for marks and bruises on the body and the arms.
"It was a quick and professional examination. His diagnosis was very confident: 'This man is dead. Apparently the victim of a cardiac arrest.' The doctor was not stupid and spoke of a lethal overdose."
In the meantime, Morrison's two "friends" from the bar who had sold him the heroin had arrived. Ignoring the doctor's verdict, they insisted the singer 'had just fainted' and they would take care of him.
Then, according to Bernett, they lifted Morrison's body out of the toilets and along a corridor that linked the Circus with Alcazar, the club next door which still exists today.
That was the last Bernett saw of the body but, from Alcazar, he says it would have been easy to place Morrison in a car or van waiting in the small side street outside, and then take the body to the singer's apartment across the river in Rue Beautreillis.
Minutes after the tragedy, a representative of the club's owner - a well-connected Paris businessman called Paul Pacini still alive, we are trying to get a comment from him] - warned Bernett not to tell anyone what had happened.
Bernett says: "I was told, "Since Morrison's friends want to take him with them, we have nothing more to do with this story.
"The club has no responsibility for what happens here. It was a sad accident, certainly, but that's fate. So we saw nothing, we heard nothing, we shut up! OK? It's what we better do to avoid a scandal."
Bernett adds that he saw little point in calling the emergency services, as he was convinced Morrison was already dead and nothing could be done for him.
And he says anyone else in the club that night who had an inkling of what went on - including Marianne Faithfull - was also sworn to secrecy.
Incredibly, after Morrison's body was found in his apartment, no proper investigation into his death was carried out.
Pamela Courson, Morrison's girlfriend

Yes, and then they took Jim's body and after undressing him - which would have taken about a half-hour or more - they dumped him naked in a bathtub and took off. Why?

Come on. This is nonsense.

Who cares if it took 30 minutes or 3 hours. Pam claims not to have found his body until the early morning. If he died and was removed from the club by 2pm, 10 minute drive to his apartment, then dropped him off. Didn't a neighbor notice people hustling into the apartment in the middle of the night and one of the entries showed forced entry? Pam was always so drugged up, she would not necessarily wake up. Or maybe she was awake when they did show up and let them in to put Jim in bathtub to revive him which did not work. Pam sent Jim to get the smack so she would have been waiting for him to return. But how does any of this disspell whether Jean provided a lethal does purposefully? Jim went down to the club bathroom to get high, then return home to Pam. And he died in that club bathroom one of three reasons: 1) he wanted to die, 2) he accidentally took too much, or 3) he was given pure herion and in taking his "regular" amount overdosed. There is no way to confirm or deny Jean provided a lethal dose purposefully, especially if Jean knew Jim always tested out the productive immediately when picking up the smack at the club. You are naive to think there was no motive.

No, it's you who are naive. You've presented so many 'maybe's' and 'who cares' as to be completely unbelievable. Pam was not 'always so drugged up,' and you need to read the thread over here, Morrison's Grave.

I was alive in those days, and knew a lot of these people. You misunderstand the pecking order if you think Jim needed to run around at the beck and call of some Eurotrash wanna-be drug dealer. Europe was littered with this type in the late 60s - Charles Manson fed off the same prey. Jean could always deliver to their apartment, and would have done so. It wasn't necessary for Jim to go to some club and die in a toilet. I don't believe there was any animosity between the 18 year old Count and Jim, who was 10 years his senior and a thousand times better connected for a dealer looking to expand his customer base. You don't kill the goose who is laying the golden egg, my friend.

Okay, good points on many counts. I am enjoying the back and forth and learning from you. I hope we can be at least virtual friends striving for the truth. I am not trying to fight with you. I do this only in the love I have for Jim. I am just curious for the truth about his death as it is the one thing no one knows for sure how it went down and it does matter how it did). Sure, I am 40 and naive though I have read 15+ Morrison/Doors books (some a couple times). But if you look at the chronicle of events in his days in Paris (short that were) and the lead up to going to Paris in the first place does my theory really seems so inplausable. I am sure Jean was investigated but he was a French Count and Jim was an expatriate rock star with a long past. I am not questioning Jim's "power" or "position" - he was a god in all artist and hanger-ons eyes and could get what he wanted upon request from anyone. But Jim loved bars. He was all over them in Paris for months including Rock n Roll Circus. He went to score and check out the scene including Marianne Faithful who he had affairs with and by chance was now dating hummmmm Jean. I am sure Jean was extremely jealous and competitive with Morrison though he could never measure up by any stretch in anyone's eyes and I am sure he knew that. He was quoted many times bragging as the "dealer to the scene, the stars." He obviously competed with Morrison for Pam and Marianne's affection. Sure, it seems every rock star dies of heroin at some point so it is not shocking Jim did. He and may have accidentally did. There is no question in my mind given the thousands of pages I have read on the subject he OD'd on heroin so let's not even bother debating that. The question is how did he die of heroin? Again, he either took too much purposefully to kill himself, he accidentally took to much and died, or someone purposefully provided a lethal dose of heroin to kill Jim Morrison. Take your pick. I think the answer is behind door #3.

There is no evidence that Jim died of heroin, just a lot of gossip and conjecture. Jim was not known for using heroin when he lived in L.A., btw. He and Pam fought about it. She certainly fooled around with it. No doubt about that. But she was not a heroin junkie, or anything that dramatic.

Here's the Morrison's Grave thread. I suggest reading it. It'll give you some more material to think about.

http://forum.johndensmore.com/index.php?showtopic=2596

Let's face the facts kids,no one can put Morrison in the toilet except some old junkie that managed the bar.Heroin was not a drug JDM fancied and the fact that he was on a medication for asthma and was suffering coughing fits that produced blood earlier in june is an indicator that he could have died from almost anything,a fall out a window,thinned blood from asthma meds and drinking or consumption.The fact he was alive was a testiment to his strong constitution. Some of you probably think he's in India or Africa but he's dead but his mx w he Doors remains.Enjoy it.

I directed a play in 1985 on the marsh in Paris at 22 Beuatrallis,Mojo died 2 doors down 2 stories up,I don't care how it's spelled,anyhow i was 25 and a doors fan ,had long hair and an army jacket in beauge and the wine store guy across the street clued my friends and I onto the fact that "the crazy american" had lived and dyed across the st at 16 beautrellus,we reveled in this because in 1985 not many people really knew where Jim lived in paris,it sent chills up our juvenille spines.Anyhow my finance guy owned the Alcazar next to the rock n roll circus his name was Mr.Bellina, besides the alcazar he ran a video company that I used many times when i was there.The alcazar is a review show,women dance naked in unison to music and do skits,since we were hot shots from America we could date these gals and they were the best,the top of the most but very dangerous show girls,Paris has a dirty underbelly and it shows itself often. Bellina told us Morrison came too his club after he visted the theatre one night and we were blairing "Break on thru to the otherside" they had a curfue on the marais or marsh and he din't want us too screw up the theatre deal.Told us Jim only drank wine spritzers and was rairely seen at the club before midnight.Thats all i know let JDM rest in peace,the Doors music lives on.Not the Ray band,I will never listen to that cover band.Good man Mr.Densmore for staying out of that.
cheers
TS

Jim did try heroin a couple of times while in Los Angeles. He fought with Pamela about it and about his drinking in September 1970 and told me about the fight. Jim did not meet Marianne Faithfull until the day he died. Jim didn't die in a club bathroom.

Jim used to frequent the strip clubs in L.A. as well. Sounds like he was living about the same way, but without the ocean of booze. Interesting post, thanks. Btw, I think it was No. 17, right?

Thanks for the insight. I trust people who knew him with the truth so I believe my theory was probably wrong. I am happy - I hoped I was wrong. In many ways my theory could be proven true assuming truths were being told by those profiting from the situation. Maybe I was naive to believe even some of what I read with regard to Jim's end. . I still believe it was an overdose though. Something was being covered up by someone. Too much smoke to not be a fire.

I suppose the actual cause of Jim's death will be debated forever although many people are fine with whatever conclusion they have. It seems the accidental heroin O.D. in his apartment has gained the most traction in the last several years. As far as an accurate hypothesis (as you say) owed to family, friends, and fans - hopefully the big picture aspect of it comes across of something no one should want to emulate. It's hardly romantic (as some have tried to portray and some have tried to emulate).

The info in the post from mojosmoothy was very interesting. This was from 1985, before the Doors/Oliver Stone thing reignited major interest in the Doors. If the owner of the Alcazar is to be believed, Jim was not racketing around, and under the influence of not much more than wine spritzers. There was no indication that he was doing heroin, or involved with heroin in that recounting. I have spoken with folks at Thee Experience who saw Jim there several times, and also saw drugs there. Jim was not in the company of the drugs. He was simply stopping by with his crew for a few beers and to pick up girls. If he had wanted heroin, he could have gotten it, but that was just not his thing.

There is too much evidence that he had health problems at that time of his life, and may have mixed too many things up, like Heath Ledger did. Including alcohol.

I agree that this sordid version of his death has gained too much traction and has turned him into some sort of sleazy junkie in the public memory. He was not a sleazy junkie - far from it. Neither was Pam. She was just stupid to even be fooling with heroin. Le Comte paid the price. Pam paid the price. Jim may have paid the price, but I still lean towards the fact that he was on prescription drugs for some health issue, and had been manifesting symptoms of heart failure, according to Alain Ronay at the very least, for a couple of weeks before his death. Jim died of a combination of all of his wild living, imo. There are too many uncertainties in the aftermath of his death, i.e. Pam allegedly getting rid of all her heroin at the insistence of Ronay, because of the police, but then Siddons finds something in a box, lying out in the open. Makes no sense to me, and generally speaking if it doesn't make sense, it usually isn't true.

Could have been 18,you entered through a heavy wooden door into a cobblestone courtyard.Anyone who travels knows eventually all the baggage shows up after,you can run but you can't hide.Also I might point out that people sometimes think there snorting cocaine and the person laying out the lines doesn't say the drug is heroin,people who drink want to snort cocaine to wake up,heroin takes you down.Always ask what it is your snorting especially today,my advice is to stay clear of all of it.
TS

He may not have been a sleazy junkie, but he did use heroin more than once. Pamela admitted Jim died of a heroin overdose.

Jim wasn't taking the medication according to Pamela. Do we trust Ronay? After all Tereba claims Jim looked and acted fine at that same perod of time.

The Count was the one who cleaned the drugs out of Pamela's place on July 3rd, not Alan Roney.

Put the Siddons event in perspective. It was three days later. Finding drugs three days later is not uncommon. No cops were expected. Jim was listed as dying from heart failure...something everyone dies from, no matter what the initial cause of death.

i may be wrong but i think i read some posts of urs were u said u believe he died of a OD in the rock and roll circus.

Yes, I did. He was in the RnR Circus where he took a snort of heroin in the hallway. The dealer told him it was strong and to watch out, but Jim ignored him and snorted the heroin, then slid down the hallway wall.

Jim was never in the bathroom according to my sources, which are pretty much the same sources as Danny Sugerman's and John Densmore's. Jim was immediately picked up and taken out via the restaurant in back of the Circus. He was taken home and put in the tub to be revived. The rest is pretty much rewritten history.

So true. There were people who handed you joints in the late 60s, and they were laced with animal tranquilizer.

Or the joints were cured in opium or laced with Speed or heroin.

then PAM was sleeping while the guys or whoever took jim to his place put him in the bathtub? i ve heard many versions that pam was with him the whole time but anyway just speculations.

Pamela had gone out to see friends and got back quite late, after Jim had been taken home.

so that whole story bout what pam told to the french police was BS?

I think it was what ever Alain Ronay told them. He spoke French. Pamela did not. Alain translated what she said, so who knows what she really said. What she told Danny and Danny told me was different from the report. All we have is what we have been told and the statements don't agree.

may i know what danny told u? i havent seen any post of u saying what he told u

That Pamela wasn't there when Jim died. That Pam called the Count to come help her with Jim, before she called Alain Ronay. That's really all I can say.

nuff said ty salli u are a very polite person cheers

No one killed Jim. It's proven your brain starts to grow old when you're 27. That's it. No visions and the dreams become too real. He had to go. Jim couldn't get old, he didn't want to get old.

In terms of the frenchie killing him it's untrue. Pam also had nothing to do with it. Have you guys ever done heroin? Drug users are afraid of one thing and that is the authorities. When the lead singer of the Doors died, they had to cover up the facts leading up to the drug abuse.

Now come on, let it go. Let him rest in peace. Celebrate his life by questioning everything, free'ing yourself from within. Go to the desert, drop acid. Smoke pot everyday. Abuse alcohol and hope to die at a young age too.

Live. Don't question his death.

Come on.

ronay knows perfectly what pam was telling in that moment, immediately after what happened. then ronay said to police not all.



i don't believe that morrison died at circus.



which "there" are you talking about? pam was in the flat while morrison died.

yea i agree with the post above i think pam WAS around when he died. i mean how come she not? i think its nonsense that rock and roll circus story... IMO she was devastated when she came back from paris, nothing to do with jim's death if u may ask me but i mean cmon her girl should ve been there while he was dying...

Agreed on many points you make. I am all about celebrating Jim's life and living the life as you describe everyday or as much as my wife and fatherhood of young kids allows. I still manage to pull it off at 40. It probably was Jim's time. I authored the initial "hypothesis" post post upon reading some new information I had been unware of (depite reading 15+ books about the Doors and Jim in particular). The information was apparently not correct. I now believe he accidentially overdosed at Rock n Roll Circus (as Salli of Circus Mag pointed out). He would know if anyone would know in this Forum. It doesn't appear Pam wasn't there when JIm was returned dead from the bar and I find it very sad he may have lay dead in the flat alone. I do not recall posting Pam conspired, rather had she been at the flat when Jim was returned she would have been involved in a cover up. Well it appears the cover up was the drugs in general, not a murder. It seems her boyfriend Jean was called by Pam first (upon her finding Jim after returning from partying, maybe Jean was with her when they returned to the apartment, it does not matter). I know Pam loved Jim, yet there relationship was less than covnentional on both sides, but hey that's leading a rock star life which Jim apparently tired of but could not escape. I do hate that heroin was around in the first place and it was around because of Pam and Jean. I have no other idol but Jim.

He did not o.d. at any club. Nobody drove him home and took his clothes off and put him in a bathtub. The only person who undresses you before you get into a bath is you or a close friend/relative. Dealers on the run from the law were unlikely to do that sort of thing, let alone the time it would take, with the law presumably hot on your heels.

We don't have to go around and around on this anymore and just agree to disagree based on what sources (personal or otherwise) we use to form on our own opinions. I appreciate your email to me letting me into your background as it relates to Jim, very cool. Shout out to Lost Interviews (and others who chimed in), thanks for the insight.

There were no police in Paris hot on the heels of Jim or the Count the night Jim died. The police didn't enter the situation until after 9 o'clock Saturday morning, well after Jim died and the drugs were cleaned out of the apartment.

You can't say that Jim did not O.D. You don't know for sure.

People who were there that night have said Jim died from an overdose of heroin. Pamela said Jim died of a heroin overdose. So let me be clear. You're saying you are right and Pamela was wrong? That you know bettter than Pamela how Jim died?

Are there unresolved anger issues operating here, because the modes of death you propose for Jim are long and can be very painful: conjestive heart failure, a blood clot to the heart, a clot to the brain with an excruciating headache that lasted for hours.

I'd like to think Jim's death was quick and painless. I believe what Pamela Courson said, that Jim died of a heroin overdose.

He's awayyy. awayyy awayy away away away in Indiaaaaa

Well argued. Thr truth is always better than a lie.

They danced down the streets like dingledodies, and I shambled after as I've been doing all my life after people who interest me, because the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones that never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!" - Jack Kerouac's "On the Road". Cassady:Jim. Kinsey:Garcia. Guthrie:Dylan.

The most important thing was Jim was beautiful. An artistic and cultural genuis. I think he wanted his end and in hindsight it makes the myth he aspired his whole life to achieve. It immortalizes him in a metaphysical-spiritual way.

Well done my friend,the paragraph send chills through me just like the 1st time I ever read it.
Bravo

Wow, Im sick of doubt
Live in the light of certain
South
Cruel bindings.
The servants have the power
Dog-men and their mean women
Pulling poor blankets over
Our sailors

Im sick of dour faces
Staring at me from the tv
Tower, I want roses in
My garden bower; dig?
Royal babies, rubies
Must now replace aborted
Strangers in the mud
These mutants, blood-meal
For the plant thats plowed.

They are waiting to take us into
The severed garden
Do you know how pale and wanton thrillful
Comes death on a strange hour
Unannounced, unplanned for
Like a scaring over-friendly guest youve
Brought to bed
Death makes angels of us all
And gives us wings
Where we had shoulders
Smooth as ravens
Claws

No more money, no more fancy dress
This other kingdom seems by far the best
Until its other jaw reveals incest
And loose obedience to a vegetable law.

I will not go
Prefer a feast of friends
To the giant family.

The Jim I knew wasn't interesting in actually dying or being dead himself. he hoped to live a long life, have children, get into films and write and direct.

I was scolded by a new poster recently on this board for believing the "myth" of Jim. I'm not the one who believes the myth, but most of you are. Once again. Jim had no wish to die when he left for Paris.

Have to take issue with you there Salli m'dear
Just because someone trawls over this silliness for the Nthousanth time on a Doors forum does not mean at all that MOST of us are under some thrall of a misconception that Morrison died some 'heroic' death, for our sins, in Paris.
Yes there are plenty of Doors fans who place some religious overtones to Morrison's death and worship at the rock and roll circus but there are a lot more who realise how sad and pathetic Jim's death was.
Whether it was from drugs, alcohol, ill health or just a broken spirit Jim Morrison died a sad death.
I don't know how he died any more than you do because like you I was not there.
I have seen plenty of daft theories as you have and even subscribed to one or two in my life but Jim Morrison was still dead after I exhausted whatever avenue I followed.
I agree with you and am certain myself that Jim Morrison did indeed wish for a long life as well as success in whatever field he chose for himself. But the Times were against him sadly as they were for so many other bright stars of the day.

The Myth you say most of us follow has been cultivated for 40 years nearly by the Host of this forum and his two compadres and as a result they have had a pretty damn good lifestyle out of it.
Our Host here shamefully (again) even put forth the proposition that Jim Morrison was meant to go out at an early age on the poor mans (would be) 65th birthday so it's hardly surprising that fans follow these daft doctrines when they are force fed this kind of shit by The Doors themselves.
It is true that we have all been sold the Myth of The Doors so you have a fair point to a certain degree. Morrison's death has always been shrouded in mystery since 1971.
I heard my first Morrison conspiracy theory before the release of Other Voices that Jim had faked his death.
The Myth has been exploited by The Doors to sell stuff ever since.
Even today a certain individual who shall remain nameless ruthlessly exploits Jim Morrison via the media to feather his nest and further his ego and ambitions.

So yes we fans have for years been captivated by a Myth because The Doors we were sold by The Doors was a Myth but that does not mean most of us believe in this silly and very well worn theory or any other theory.
Pretty much not one of the fans I hang out with in Paris subscribes to this particular one and the only one I have met who does is your Scottish pal who tried many times without success to drag me to the rock and roll circus to worship at the scene of the crime.

It shows sadly how dull this forum has become when this is the hot thread here so I thought I would liven it up with some dancing penguins.....

I'm afraid that only God and Jim know what really led to his demise and they aren't talking.

As a 40 year Doors fan and a great admirer of Jim it really pisses me off when the ongoing rumors that he died at that sleazy R & R circus keep surfacing.
I don't know how he died and neither does any other forum member in here and I think it is an insult to his memory to keep bringing the R & R Circus bullshit up. Jacky

Who cares how he died? I don't, short of murder. The only reason I started this post is in my heart (based on much digestion) I believed maybe Jean murdered Jim and if that was truth I in good conscience could not let it lye without confirmation yea or nea. Anything I communicate on this Forum is of concern about no one else but Jim. I now believe my hypthoesis to not be true based on first/second-hand knowledge of those who knew him (especially in his last year) versus what I surmised in lengthy readings and research.
As for "dullness" I say don't access or post then. I will carry Jim's torch until my surmise. I am sad when I think about "what if he had lived longer" but the mystery far outweighs the truth and that is the way I like it. I model my beliefs around his though they were closely on concert from their inception. I make no apologies in doing so because if there is a greater Power Jim was closer than any of us. Do we have not enough reality i our lives - war, hypocrisy, greed, conditional love. Jim's story was the story he told, not his story.


Let's put this thread to end and I will not add to it anymore.

And this 'thread' confirms that one way or the other does it? You are easily swayed from your 'hypthoesis'
What lengthy research? There is nothing but the ramblings of idiots and loonies on forums like this to go on, along with rumours and innuendo from people who have a vested interest in making wild accusations to make money from the media.
There is absolutely NO FIRST hand knowledge of this subject on this forum and not even really much SECOND hand knowledge here.
It's a Myshtery as Toyah Wilcox once said.
And why pray do U only care how he died if he was murdered?
I care how he died and feel sad that he died. I have no idea how and have 'researched' this most of my life.
I like all Doors fans have had theories and have argued for and against things.
Still have no real idea what happened.



I only comment because there is fuck all else here as the forum is once again deader than flares.
And I will read any thread and comment on any thread I like without seeking permission from U thank U.
I have had a 'slight' interest in this for 4 fifths of my life mate so will comment any way I choose on the subject as you do! And by the way I said the forum was dull not picking on the thread in particular.
If you are gonna argue the subject do it with some balls mate and argue it.
U started the thread so argue your point don't just give up cos someone disses U a bit.
Thats the problem with Doors forums nowadays.............
It's days like this that I really do miss the OLD Lizard lounge

Ok. I can appreciate your passion, thoughts and sentiments here. I understood you were not attacking my post as "dull" specifically and I did not intend (thought it was typed that way) to tell you not to post, that would be silly. I am not going to fight with you over this. As for arguing my point I did that in the initial post and follow-ups. I have nothing left to add. The arguments made against my hypothesis were convincing and like I said many posts before I now beleiev it to be untrue. Like I said I was probably naive thinking this area had not been covered millions of times - dying at the Circus or not, heroin overdose or not, etc. But I had not read anything addressing whether Jean de Breteuil was simply the dealer or intended to murder Jim because he was in love wih Pam and Jim was in the way. Surely that type of thing happens everyday in America and Paris, just watch the news. I am happy I was wrong as I would hate to think he was murdered and no justice was done in some way. I have never been on any other Doors Forum but this one and don't have enough interest to explore others. What I have read on the Forum to date when I joined a couple weeks ago I think is incredibly interesting so I will keep on contributing and reading though I cergtainly don't have the background with the Doors (as a 40-yr old fan) apparently many or most of you have. So I imagine I'll do more reading than contributing. Peace out.

You are easy convinced then
I have not seen a decent argument yet that is 'convincing' one way or another as to how or why Jim Morrison died and as I said I have had more than a passing interest for a long while now.
The End by Bob Seymour was the only half decent attempt I have seen to solve this and that was flawed to shit with the most flawed aspect being the idea that there was somehow some kind of 'evil conspiracy' to hide the relevant documentation from the world after 20 years
Some of the most half assed TV shows have given it a try but spent more time on trying to be controversial rather than trying to discover anything. We fans have been arguing about it since 1971 and have only ended up with a handful of conspiracy theories ranging from slightly plausible to utter crap.
Doors fans will still be arguing about it in 50 years time as no one can ever really say with utter conviction what happened....which is why The Doors are still interesting after all this time whilst other bands just as talented are barely remembered.
Gets my vote!

Ditto that Mew! Jacky

Well said and summarized my friend. You are a good motivator. I have decided to dig deeper for the truth knowing the paths have been crossed many times. But to satify my own curiosity I 'll google my way to the truth - it's that easy, right? I have already found some new material and we'll see if I glean anything new. I'll be back in a couple of days with any relevant/new findings not posted herein this thread.

I saw Bill Siddons a couple of days after his return from Paris. He was broken up. Not a one of us ever suspected or talked about a drug overdose. If Jim was going to do that, he would've done it in LA. He certainly hung out with some interesting characters here, and yet he survived it. Why would he have succumbed to drugs in Paris? Pam - a different story. But if she and Jim were partaking of the same poison, how come she lived?

Whatever the truth is, we'll never know it this side of the veil. But I know what I heard and saw from July 6, 1971 onwards, and I've never heard a word about heroin until the last couple of years.

There was no conspiracy - but you can't sell books on that.

They're baaaack!

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I came onto these boards right before the schism occurred. Alex comes at this issue in an intelligent and caring way - he believes what he believes and he's taken a lot time and trouble, let alone personal commitment, over the years. There are folks on here who have NEVER gone to Jim's grave to pay respects, though they might have had the opportunity to do so, who speak with great authority, but weren't there at the death, and skirt it. The Alexes were there and are still there. If you were Jim, who would you want at your back?

I never thought of that. When I was a kid (in the 60s') it was common knowledge (whether true or not) that you put someone OD'ing on heroin into a cold bath to shock the system back. If that were the case they wouldn't take off his clothes they would get water in the tub & put him in. & I think you're right if he had OD'ed at the club & he was brought back by the bouncers of whoever they wouldn't have taken off his clothes, & the trip to the apartment is too many chances for somebody to see them lugging the body around. Wouldn't one of the neighbors report that to the cops if they saw something suspicious?