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lost little girl
so what is
the story that hides behind the name Patricia Kennealy? she was one of Jims affairs, or am i wrong? please tell me more!
knowidea
Open to discussion of course.....but I will say ad nauseam.
lost little girl
QUOTE(knowidea @ Apr 18 2007, 02:43 PM) [snapback]13658[/snapback]
Open to discussion of course.....but I will say ad nauseam.


ok, i learned latin in highschool, so i understand the meaning of your answer..i was just curious cause i didnt discuss about it what so ever..btw.thanks
NP
QUOTE(lost little girl @ Apr 17 2007, 11:57 PM) [snapback]13651[/snapback]
so what is
the story that hides behind the name Patricia Kennealy? she was one of Jims affairs, or am i wrong? please tell me more!


Yes she was one of Jim's affairs other than that all I have to say about her is: BIG FAT LIAR.
Ana
I was already thinking that you had forgotten Patricia.
But finally the topic is here.
Okay, you start and then I comment.



lost little girl
QUOTE(Night Prowler @ Apr 18 2007, 07:32 PM) [snapback]13667[/snapback]
Yes she was one of Jim's affairs other than that all I have to say about her is: BIG FAT LIAR.


can you tell me something more? i mean why do you think she is a liar?
gotothelight
You may want to go to the main Doors board. God knows there's more than enough discussion about this person there......
lost little girl
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gotothelight
QUOTE(lost little girl @ Apr 19 2007, 07:22 AM) [snapback]13709[/snapback]
i dont understand what does everybody have against this topic..i really dont. i was just courious and wondering for some information about that woman, cause this is a general doors forum..and i know there are a people who know something more about her, and i just wanted them to share that with me and all interested in this topic..but ok..you dont need to answer me..concider this topic closed.


You are certainly welcome to discuss this topic here since it is the General Doors forum. I just figured it would be easier for you to find the information you're looking for if you went to the main Doors board since so much (and then some...) has already been posted about this there.
lost little girl
QUOTE(gotothelight @ Apr 19 2007, 11:27 AM) [snapback]13710[/snapback]
You are certainly welcome to discuss this topic here since it is the General Doors forum. I just figured it would be easier for you to find the information you're looking for if you went to the main Doors board since so much (and then some...) has already been posted about this there.


ok i understand..i will visit main Doors board..thanks.
jym
Here's the story in a nutshell. Patricia Keneally was indeed one of Jim's affairs, she was the person Jim "wed" in a wiccan ceremony, & after Jim broke up with her she stuck a message into his desk with a knife, and most controversially she claimed she got pregnant by Jim and had an abortion. She wrote a book in which said Jim only went to Paris with Pam to dump her and then he would come back to New York to be with Patricia. It was about the time of the publication of her book that she started calling herself Patricia Keneally Morrison and that Jim had sent her a bunch of poems and letters that she would collect and publish in a book called Fireheart in the year 2020 or some far off date like that. She used to go to different Doors message boards and pretty much cause havoc, so as you can see there are a lot of extreme opinions about her.

Diane-trying to send someone to the LL, a fate worse than death or at least purgatory. biggrin.gif (my favorite smilie by the way)
gotothelight
QUOTE(jym @ Apr 19 2007, 07:41 AM) [snapback]13713[/snapback]
Diane-trying to send someone to the LL, a fate worse than death or at least purgatory. biggrin.gif (my favorite smilie by the way)


lol.. you're right Jym. What WAS I thinking? ohmy.gif
lost little girl
QUOTE (jym @ Apr 19 2007, 11:41 AM) *
Here's the story in a nutshell. Patricia Keneally was indeed one of Jim's affairs, she was the person Jim "wed" in a wiccan ceremony, & after Jim broke up with her she stuck a message into his desk with a knife, and most controversially she claimed she got pregnant by Jim and had an abortion. She wrote a book in which said Jim only went to Paris with Pam to dump her and then he would come back to New York to be with Patricia. It was about the time of the publication of her book that she started calling herself Patricia Keneally Morrison and that Jim had sent her a bunch of poems and letters that she would collect and publish in a book called Fireheart in the year 2020 or some far off date like that. She used to go to different Doors message boards and pretty much cause havoc, so as you can see there are a lot of extreme opinions about her.

Diane-trying to send someone to the LL, a fate worse than death or at least purgatory. biggrin.gif (my favorite smilie by the way)


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Salli
QUOTE(lost little girl @ Apr 19 2007, 02:35 PM) [snapback]13722[/snapback]
yes i heard something about that book..omg she really is insane..maybe that is Morrions effect on woman inperticulary..all gone crazy smile.gif



No, that is not Jim's affect on women. I knew Jim and so did many others and most of us lead pretty sane lives.

Patricia was obsessive and possessive about Jim. She became delusional and a stalker. What she once recognized as the truth about her and her very brief affair has become epic in her book and that book is full of inconsistantcies and lies. She no longer believes the truth about what happened. She believes what she wrote in her book.

-The pregnancy. When she got pregnant, Jim was in Paris. Patricia was in New York.
- The day Jim supposedly proposed to her was May 5th, according to her blog. That night she says they went to see the Jefferson Airplane at the Fillmore East. The Airplane played at the Fillmore East on May 7th.
-She claims to have been in Los Angeles in 1970 a full week later than she actually was.
-In 1971 she did not spend a week alone with Jim at Norton Avenue as she writes in her book. The real story of that trip, "Ballroom Days," will be posted soon on The Doors Collectors Magazine website.
-She claims to have spent a romantic day driving around with Jim in February 1971. They took about nine to ten hours to do everything she wrote about in her book. Three hours to go to the accountant's and have a two-hour lunch, then go shopping in Westwood for two hours, drive to Venice to walk along the beach a mile on a gray day in the afternoon, (maybe a hour to an hour and a half), shop in Beverly Hills for about two hours, then drive downtown for another hour or two before they had dinner in Hollywood. That's a lot of driving and approximately nine hours of time before dinner.

Since Jim was recording/rehearsing? that day, he would not have left before at least 2:30 in the afternoon. Usually it was later than that. So let's give Patricia the benefit of the doubt - 2:30pm. They get to the restaurant about 3:30 and leave for Venice for their walk on the beach at aroud 5:30 (that's after the sun set BTW so it was after dark, not a gray day as she says. Also the restaurant she said they went to closed at 3pm to set up for dinner, so no lunch.
So 2:30pm + 9 hours = dinner at 11:30 pm. Her timing doesn't track.

She also said she was able to apply for and get her very first passport in July of 1971 within the course of an afternoon (4 hours) for compassionate reasons. (Again timing).

I called the Passport Office and they said Impossible. PO said it took 24 to 48 hours to get an emergency first-time passport in 1971. You also needed a valid provable emergency such as dying relative, court case, execution. Patricia would also have to provide an official marriage license = proof of relationship.

PO said they would not give what Patricia called a passport for compassionate reasons to a woman with no marriage licence to go see a "husband" who was already dead and buried. The PO did not view her situation as an emergency requiring such haste.

Patricia obviously has a problem with her dates, times and events in "Strange Days." Maybe that's why the title? rolleyes.gif
lost little girl
QUOTE (Salli @ Apr 19 2007, 08:08 PM) *
No, that is not Jim's affect on women. I knew Jim and so did many others and most of us lead pretty sane lives.

Patricia was obsessive and possessive about Jim. She became delusional and a stalker. What she once recognized as the truth about her and her very brief affair has become epic in her book and that book is full of inconsistantcies and lies. She no longer believes the truth about what happened. She believes what she wrote in her book.

-The pregnancy. When she got pregnant, Jim was in Paris. Patricia was in New York.
- The day Jim supposedly proposed to her was May 5th, according to her blog. That night she says they went to see the Jefferson Airplane at the Fillmore East. The Airplane played at the Fillmore East on May 7th.
-She claims to have been in Los Angeles in 1970 a full week later than she actually was.
-In 1971 she did not spend a week alone with Jim at Norton Avenue as she writes in her book. The real story of that trip, "Ballroom Days," will be posted soon on The Doors Collectors Magazine website.
-She claims to have spent a romantic day driving around with Jim in February 1971. They took about nine to ten hours to do everything she wrote about in her book. Three hours to go to the accountant's and have a two-hour lunch, then go shopping in Westwood for two hours, drive to Venice to walk along the beach a mile on a gray day in the afternoon, (maybe a hour to an hour and a half), shop in Beverly Hills for about two hours, then drive downtown for another hour or two before they had dinner in Hollywood. That's a lot of driving and approximately nine hours of time before dinner.

Since Jim was recording/rehearsing? that day, he would not have left before at least 2:30 in the afternoon. Usually it was later than that. So let's give Patricia the benefit of the doubt - 2:30pm. They get to the restaurant about 3:30 and leave for Venice for their walk on the beach at aroud 5:30 (that's after the sun set BTW so it was after dark, not a gray day as she says. Also the restaurant she said they went to closed at 3pm to set up for dinner, so no lunch.
So 2:30pm + 9 hours = dinner at 11:30 pm. Her timing doesn't track.

She also said she was able to apply for and get her very first passport in July of 1971 within the course of an afternoon (4 hours) for compassionate reasons. (Again timing).

I called the Passport Office and they said Impossible. PO said it took 24 to 48 hours to get an emergency first-time passport in 1971. You also needed a valid provable emergency such as dying relative, court case, execution. Patricia would also have to provide an official marriage license = proof of relationship.

PO said they would not give what Patricia called a passport for compassionate reasons to a woman with no marriage licence to go see a "husband" who was already dead and buried. The PO did not view her situation as an emergency requiring such haste.

Patricia obviously has a problem with her dates, times and events in "Strange Days." Maybe that's why the title? rolleyes.gif


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darkstar
In my opinion, Patricia Kennealy is a nutjob and I believe she has some serious mental issues rolling around in that head of hers.

Prior to Patricia releasing her book "Strange Days............." in 1992, she agreed to be interviewed by Victoria Balfour for Balfour's book, "Rock Wives" which was released in 1986. This book is long out of print but for those of you have read Patricia's "Strange Days" this earlier account of her relationship with Jim Morrison may be of interest.

What follows is the interview that Patricia Kennealy gave to Victoria Balfour in 1986.








Rock Wives
by Victoria Balfour
1986

Patricia Kennealy/Jim Morrison Pages 139-154

In 1969, Patricia Kennealy, a young rock journalist for a magazine called Jazz and Pop, was assigned to interview the Doors. Patricia had heard some outrageous stories about Jim Morrison, the lead singer for the group and former UCLA film school grad student who had become something of a cult hero with fans because of his provocative onstage posing (nearly always in leather pants!) and his offstage reputation as a heavy-drinking mad poet. But when Patricia found herself actually face to face with Morrison, she was impressed with his charming good manners and intelligence. After her interview with him and the other three members of the Doors came out in the magazine, Jim sent Patricia a letter saying how much he liked the article. A friendship was struck: From time to time Jim would call Patricia at the magazine or send letters, or they would get together for dinner when he came to New York.

Eventually, the friendship evolved into romance. Patricia was twenty- two; Jim, twenty-five. "We were just babies," Patricia says now. "And I was this total convent flower. It was all as inevitable as a fairy tale – like falling in love with King Arthur, or maybe it was more like falling in love with Darth Vader. He was a lover and an adversary."

But complications set in rather quickly. For one thing, Jim was still seeing his longtime girlfriend Pamela Courson, and his behavior was becoming increasingly self-destructive. The affair, which had started so promisingly, ended rather badly. Patricia sums up what went wrong in this way: "It was like starting to make a bridge from two different ends, and then when you got to the middle, they didn't meet.

Jim Morrison was found dead – of heart failure, as the story goes – in a bathtub in Paris in 1971. His girlfriend Pamela, who was with him when he died, would herself die of a heroin overdose three years later.

Patricia Kennealy is excited. Her first book, which she describes as science-fiction fantasy, is about to be published, and work on her second book is already well underway. Still, she is a little worried that in the interview she might come across as sounding like her life stopped after Jim Morrison. "The last thing I want is to come across like some sort of rock-era Miss Havisham, sitting in her cobwebbed room with her dusty memories and her old Fillmore programs," she says. Well, certainly judging from the décor of Patricia's east Village apartment – sort of medieval gothic – it does not appear that she has been doing much mooning. Granted, there are one or two Morrison posters, but for the most part the place is crammed with swords, chalices, crowns, masks, and even a high backed carved bishop's chair. All of, coupled with Patricia's rather Old World looks – fair, fair skin and a mass of thick red hair, and a black cape – makes Patricia seem ligh-years away from being in any way remotely connected to the rock world, let alone Jim Morrison.

But the fact is back in 1967, as a writer/editor for Jazz and Pop, Patricia, at a very young age, was interviewing major groups like the Jefferson Airplane. Jazz and Pop, it seems, was a well-respected magazine run totally by women – "Rather unusual for that time." say Patricia. "Pauline Rivelli, who started it, was an extremely tough cookie. But it was really strange; the women writers a lot of times got tarred with the groupie brush when they would go and talk to people. The musicians were used to being pursued on the road, with groupies throwing themselves at them from all directions. So they figured you were a total slut." Robert Plant she remembers, was a prime example, "I was backstage at the Fillmore, and God, he was unbelievably rude. I had a lace pantsuit on – perhaps" – Patricia says with a smile – "he might have had a reason for thinking me a person of easy virtue. He said, "Hey, you in the lace nighttie-come over here and sit on me lap!" We always got propositioned. You had to have a hook of some kind to get people to take you seriously." Indeed, Patricia was so incensed by musicians' treatment of women writers that she censed by musicians' treatment of women writers that she spoke out against it in a column entitled, "Rock Around The Cock." She wrote "…I tire even more of going out to do an interview and being genteely condescended to as not much more than a particularly well-connected groupie…and then…having to watch the interviewee male drop his drink at a perfectly ordinary remark as to, oh, the influence of eighteenth-century Irish-Scottish ballads on his work…"

Needless to say, Patricia did not develop any great respect for musicians. "I just had incredible contempt for them. They were idiots, they were morons. They are totally irresponsible. Musicians she'd met through her work, there was no one who sparked a personal interest in her. "There just never seemed to be anybody who was bright and interesting enough."

Until she met Jim Morrison. Patricia had been a fan of the Doors ever since she had seen them at a performance in Forest Hills in 1967.

("They were second on the bill to Simon and Garfunkle.") But up until the time she was assigned to interview the Doors at the Plaza Hotel in 1969, she'd never heard anything particularly good about Jim Morrison as a person. "It was like Byron-he's mad, bad and dangerous to know." On the day of the interview, Patricia's expectations of Jim were reinforced, when, on her way up to his suite, she overheard some groupies telling stories "about how he would stick a needle in his eye – the point was that he was doing so much acid that his pupils were so dilated that it didn't hurt." So imagine, then, Patricia's surprise when she entered the suite and Jim rose to his feet. "He had such good manners," she remembers. "I was knocked out, `cause you don't really meet good manners among rock and roll people. And then, when we shook hands, there were just sparks! He loved it. It was just
perfect."

Good manners were all well and good, but what really astonished Patricia was the fact that Jim took her very seriously as an interviewer. "He seemed to treat most people who came to talk to him like that. You didn't have to prove anything to him; he accepted you as you were." She also discovered during the course of the interview that Jim was highly intelligent (his reported IQ of 149 was `not as high as mine, but high enough," she says wryly). "He was extremely well read. We talked about music and about literature and writing."

After Patricia's interview came out in Jazz and Pop, Jim sent her a thank you note, which Patricia produces from a box. It reads as follows:

Dear Pat

I want to thank you for the fine article which I consider the most brilliant witty and amusing. (sic) You should write fiction ( I don't mean than as a slam) (Honest) Let me here from you sometime. Please.

Yours Truly
J. Morrison



After that, Patricia and Jim started writing back and forth. "It was all very innocent. His letters were just chatty letters about what they were doing, where they were going on tour, books I might be interested in."

From time to time, Patricia would run into Jim at concerts. Then, some months later, Patricia was invited to dinner with Jim and his off-again girlfriend Pamela Courson. "I really did like her," says Patricia. "She was nice. She wasn't an incredibly towering intellect, but she seemed very sweet and very pretty, very California." In spite of Pamela's presence, however, there was something going on between Jim and Patricia. "The vibes at that table," she says, "were not to be believed. I just knew something was building up. I think we both knew from that dinner on, but I didn't know where it was going to get started."

The next time Patricia saw him was in May 1970, in Philadelphia. "That's when everything really got started.
They were playing there and we saw each other backstage." Patricia, it seems, had just written a not entirely flattering review of Jim's collection of notes and poems published under the name The Lords and the New Creatures. "Apparently it incensed him so that he sent me a telegram postmarked three o'clock in the morning from L.A. A friend of ours from Elektra said that he couldn't get over the review, because it was the first review anybody'd really done of him as his work and not him as a person. I think he was a little tweaked because it was a very accurate review."

But when they saw each other in Philly, all was forgiven, and two days later in New York the romance officially began. Asked to describe the setting, Patricia seems to have a hard time parting with the memories she seems to have stored away in a secret, special place. "We went to the Ginger Man on the West Side," she recalls almost nervously. "It was springtime and it was just so incredibly romantic. Nobody could eat because we were too excited." She was not, however, so totally swept off her feet that she couldn't bring up the subject of the status of Jim's relationship with Pamela. "He told me it was totally finished with her, which is the only way I would have started up with him, because I have scruples. He swore that they had broken up, that it was poisoned relationship. He said it was half pity and half habit that had kept them together all this time. It was probably true when he said it, but he was just one of those people who changed his mind a lot." muses Patricia. "You never knew where you were. There was no consistency, but inconsistency."

At any rate, after lunch the pair went for a walk in Central Park. They sat on the grass, Jim was his head in Patricia's lap. They ended up spending the whole day together. The next day, they went to a Jefferson Airplane concert ("He thought it was incredibly tedious and boring"), and afterward they went back to Patricia's apartment to listen to records. "He had his head on my lap and he said, `Do you want me to stay the night and keep you company?' And I said, "Well, if you understand it's not obligatory.' That surprised him. He said, "No it isn't'" There is a long pause. "It was nice," Patricia says shyly. "He was very sweet."

Jim, Patricia was soon to discover, was not as secure with her as one might think. "He could be extremely jealous. He would be full of questions about `Who's my competition?' The first time he came to my house here, he was all over the house looking for men's clothing.

"Jim didn't believe that I really liked him," she continues. "He was always asking for reassurance: `Why are you with me? He didn't believe it after the first morning we woke up here after he spent the night here for the first time. I was just looking at him and smiling quietly to myself, and he woke up and we started to talk. During the course of the conversation I said something like, "I really like you enormously." And this incredible look of pleased surprise comes over his face. And he said, `Well, no, I didn't know. I just figured if you didn't want me around, you'd let me know.'"

In the relationship, says Patricia, Jim gave "insofar as he was able to. He was very afraid to open himself up with people. He was real scared to do that, and I think that's why he had so many problems.
A lot of the personality problem had to do with alcoholism, which prevented him from doing so. But he poured his guts out in his poetry and onstage. It's harder when your audience is just one person and your bodies are naked and your souls are naked and you have to perform all the senses."



What, then, did she get from being with Jim? Patricia thinks for a minute before answering. "That's a hard one. He just made me very happy in spite of all the bullshit. He could be the unadulterated creep, the pig man of L.A. He could be incredibly cruel. I don't know how he made me happy." There is a pause. Then she says, "He was extremely affectionate – always holding my hand in public –extremely romantic. He brought me peonies when he came over once. He have me this gorgeous emerald ring, which I keep in the bank." She points to her aquamarine earrings. "He gave me these. He was very deep. He was always very interested in finding out what other people thought, how they thought, what they thought about, what they liked to read. I guess he got tired of always being the one doing all the talking. I think his curiosity would have been the one thing to save him. It just didn't happen enough."


"With people, he was whatever they expected him to be. Some people said he was almost kind of a mirror, just reflecting whatever you were. If you were expecting him to be the prince of darkness, he would oblige you." A lot of that, Patricia thinks, had to do with shyness. "I told him once that I thought he was the shiest person that I'd ever met and that he had to create a sensation as a sort of cover up. He thought that was just incredibly perceptive and very mean of me to say so."

In Patricia's eyes, the high point of her romance with Jim was when they were married in a Wiccan, or witch ceremony in her apartment on Midsummer's Night in 1970. Patricia, it seems, was involved with witchcraft. "It's not Satanism," she is quick to say.
"It's basically a mother religion, but there is also a god figure, a horned god of the hunt," Jim apparently was intrigued with all this, and it was he who suggested that they have the Wiccan wedding ceremony. So they were married by a high priest and priestess of the Celtic coven, who could have made the marriage legal, only Jim and Patricia didn't bother to get a license. "We just did the ceremony, which is binding a lot longer than til death do us part. It's a karmic sort of thing that links people through further reincarnations."

The ceremony itself involved, "all kinds of rituals and candles and vows." Jim and Patricia, clad in black robes, stood inside a magic circle that had been cast with a sword. Four candles had been placed in four corners of the room.

Then, each of them made a slight cut on their wrists with the sacred ritual knife. "It was very dramatic," says Patricia. Then Jim gave Patricia a silver Irish claddagh wedding ring that has two hands holding a heart with a crown on top of it. Patricia doesn't know how seriously Jim took the ceremony ("probably not too seriously"), but to her, going through the ceremony was "like being validated the way I wanted to be. It was a very private thing for me, a bond I wanted
to make with this person."

Unfortunately, it was all downhill after that. First, Patricia discovered that she was pregnant. "It was an accident – the old diaphragm." And at this point, Jim was having his own troubles:

He was in Miami facing charges for "exhibiting lewd and lascivious behavior by exposing his private parts and by simulating masturbation and oral copulation onstage." But they agreed that they had to talk, and Patricia flew down to Miami to meet with him. On her way there, Patricia's mind did flip flops. "I thought, `Oh my God, this kid is going to be a god. How could it not be? But then I thought, gods have to eat and go to school. You always have to be there, and I'm not very good with kids.'"

In Miami any hopes Patricia harbored of Jim wanting her child were dashed. "Jim was really cold," she says. "It was like he really didn't need this. He just didn't want to talk about it for the longest time. He just had all this other stuff. It took a couple of days before we started to talk about it." Then when they started to talk, Jim told Patricia that "if I had the kid, it would just
ruin our relationship as far as he was concerned." "Maybe," muses Patricia, "it had something to do with the twenty paternity suits against him."

In the end, they decided that Patricia would have an abortion. Patricia flew back to New York, with Jim promising that he would be there to hold her hand throughout the operation.

As it turned out, he didn't show. He didn't even call, although Patricia learned later that he did call a couple of her friends to inquire after her welfare. "Jim could have handled it a lot better than he did," says Patricia, an understatement if there ever was one.
Why didn't he come through for her? "I don't think he was good at adversity." she replies. "As soon as a relationship got trying, he would get crazy and run away from it. I used to think, when things got really hairy, `Well, doesn't he want to keep me?'
Apparently not, if it means work."


After Patricia got out of the hospital, she was, in her words, "a complete wreck." So she wrote a letter to Jim, which she decided to deliver in person in Los Angeles. "He was staying at the Chateau. I went there, left him a note, and nailed it to his desk with a little dagger with a little skull on top of it. I thought it would get his attention, and it certainly did. He called me that afternoon."

In California, Patricia stayed with Jim's former publicist, Diane Gardner. In the apartment above lived Jim's Pamela. Naturally, in that setup, things were bound to get a little crazy. "I was at Diane's, and Jim had promised to come over. The phone rang at
Diane's, and it was for Pamela `cause she didn't have a phone. They asked me to go upstairs and get her. I was wondering when this was going to happen. So I went upstairs and got her. She opened the door and she was naked to the waist." And she was also, according to Patricia, "completely `luded out on downers, just completely wasted. So I said, "I'm going to tell you a few things' and then we started talking." Patricia proceeded to tell Pamela "everything."

Why did she have the showdown? "I was mad," Patricia answers. "I also wanted some insight on why he was with her sometimes and with me other times. It was," she says, "a very nice little talk. It seemed so modern, so civilized. She said she thought it would have been a good idea if I'd had the baby. Then she said, "Of course Jim wouldn't have given you any money or anything," which Patricia thought was a little mean.

In the midst of all this, Jim arrived. "He came in and
said, `Interesting stuff going on.' He thought it was just
the most amusing thing. But he was unsure of himself and nervous, though."

Patricia immediately lit into him. "I was just so angry and upset from the abortion, and he said, `Oh, I know, it was unforgivable. I'm a rotten person.' Of course I fell for it. We just sat there and talked. And then Pamela was there, and it was so strained. And then she just went upstairs in tears because he was staying with me, which I thought was very cruel of him. We ended up sleeping on the floor at Diane's place, and Pamela came in the next morning and found us there. He thought it was so funny. He said, `I'm never going to here the end of this.' I think he was losing all sense of judgment at this point. Our relationship had gotten so weird with all this other stuff."

This was not the first time Jim had played Patricia off another woman. "One time we were up at the hotel in New York, and there was this very strange woman who was following him around. She had just been released from a mental hospital, where he had corresponded with her. Her name was Joanna. She was hanging around the hotel, and it was the most bizarre thing because he had told me to meet him at the hotel. I went down to the lobby, and there was this person waiting for him. She said, `He's not here.' He had sent her a telegram saying that he was going to be in New York. He said he felt sorry for her and knew she'd been in the hospital and that she was a big Doors fan. Finally he showed up and took one look at her and one look at me and said, `I wouldn't have missed this for the world.' Then we all went to the movies. It was strange – he would totally ignore anything she
said and would make an exaggerated effort to lean over and pay attention to me. It was cruel, and she was getting frantic." The next day, Jim and Patricia discovered her outside his hotel room door, kicking and screaming that she wanted a divorce and that Mick Jagger was really the one. Eventually she got tired of kicking the door and left. Patricia thought Jim's behavior was cruel. "You don't send a telegram to someone and then do that. He liked to play people off one another and sit back and watch the fireworks."

In California, Patricia stayed around for a week. A couple of months later she was back. When she saw Jim this time, "He was completely falling apart." Joplin, Hendrix, and Brian Jones had all died their tragic deaths, and Patricia remembers Jim "running around telling everybody that he was going to be the next one." Patricia somehow knew he was right. "The atoms weren't going around the nucleus. It was like it wasn't him anymore. The dark side was taking over. There seemed to be less of a distinction between the public and the private. There was some very strange psychological stuff going on. And he was drinking extremely heavily."

As if that weren't enough, the friend with whom Patricia was staying in L.A. turned out to have a crush on Jim. In turn Jim's "roving eye had been caught, so I was very annoyed about that. And I ended up in a fist fight. It was unbelievable. The three of us were sitting on a couch, and she was unbuttoning his shirt. He was loving it. But I got mad at her. I'd been with him for a week, and he'd been so loving and attentive – it was more presents and `I love you his and I love you that' and `I'm going to go to Paris with Pamela but that's only to get rid of her.' He said, `I'm going to be with you in New York in the fall, and we'll get a place.' I believed this! But I dragged that girl into the bathroom, beat the shit out of her, dragged her into the hall and then threw her down a flight of stairs. I can't believe I didn't kill her. I really did see red. It was horrible, but wonderful, I was mad at him and I couldn't beat him up, so I beat up her."

And what was Jim doing throughout the fracas? "He was asleep on the couch. Completely sodden. It was like he was dead already. He was just lying stretched out on the couch with his hands crossed, and the couch was a big high dark couch and it looked just like a coffin. And his face was all green, waxy. And I bent over to kiss him, and it was like bending over to kiss a corpse. That was the end of it for us. I knew I'd never see him again."

Soon after, Jim joined Pamela in Paris. Patricia was furious when she heard the news. "I take my sword out and slice up pillows when I'm mad, and there were quite a few pillows that were decapitated at that time." Then she had a dream.

Jim was standing at the foot of the bed. He didn't have a beard, which he had shaved off before he went to Paris, but I didn't know about it at that time. He just stood there and he was so real. I could almost smell him, his hair, the way his clothes smelled. He was just there and he bent down as if he were going to kiss me and he was just gone. Then when I woke up, my wedding ring was on my other finger. It was off my left hand and was on my right hand. I don't know how you can get a ring off your finger in the middle of the night. It's very hard to get off."

After the dream, Patricia told her friends that there was something very wrong with Jim in Paris. Ten days later Patricia learned Jim had died. "A friend of mine called me about three o'clock in the morning with the news. Jim had been dead a week." Patricia got the first plane to Paris and went straight to his grave. "When I was there, it was lovely. There was a little ring of scallop shells around the grave and somebody had made a little wooden cross. It's disgusting his grave now – they have all the graffiti."

In the years since Jim's death, new generations of music fans keep discovering the Doors. For Patricia, the continuing popularity of the Doors has been a little hard on her. "It's very nice that he's remembered and thought of as a great artist but to have to walk down the street and see people with Doors T-Shirts is very painful."

She, for one, doesn't agree with those today who call Jim Morrison "The Grandfather Of Punk." "All that stuff is really garbage," she says. "I think Jim would hate punk. He was intelligent; he was literate; he was musical. Punk is none of those things. It's extremely nihilistic. He was not nihilistic. He was self-destructive, but he was not a nihilist."

If Jim were alive today, would Patricia put up with all the stuff that Jim used to pull on her? "Never in a million years!" she answers vehemently. "No way. This wasn't any kind of liberating relationship! He called all the shots. And the worst part of being with him was that I never knew whether I was going to see him again. I never asked him, `When am I going to see you again?' I was afraid to hear what he might say."

"If he showed up at the door today, which I sometimes fantasize about, with all this nonsense about `well, he isn't really dead,' the first thing I would do is flatten him, like that girl in Indiana Jones."

END.


This interview that Patricia Kennealy did with Victoria Balfour for Balbour's book Rockwives in 1986 was turned into a 429 page biography written by Patricia Kenneally called "Strange Days My Life With And Without Jim Morrison." This bio was released 1992, six years after the release of the Balfour book and a year after the release of Oliver Stone's Doors' movie where Kenneally landed herself an acting role.

Kenneally went on to publish an extended version of her "Strange Days" book in paperback form which contains 449 pages in 1993.

As you can see and have read the Balbour interview covers the Kenneally/Morrison relationship in just 16 pages. Makes one wonder how 16 pages of text can be transcribed into almost 500 pages of text just six years later.

In the June 1996 issue of "Playgirl" Magazine Patricia was interviewed again by Laurie Sue Brockway. What follows is an excerpt from that interview.


Brockway: Are we sitting on the connubial bed?

Kennealy: Uh-huh. The mattress is different. I saved pieces from the
original mattress. Not to mention the sheets, put away somewhere,
unlaundered--sweat all over them.

Brockway: You mean sweat from the last time you were with him, 25 years ago?

Kennealy: Uh-huh. There's probably something deeply disturbed about that
(laugh)... No, it's that chick thing. You save stuff... your corsage
from the prom...the sheets you fucked on. It's the same sort of thing

gotothelight
Thanks for posting that Darkstar. An interesting read for sure.

QUOTE(darkstar @ Apr 19 2007, 07:25 PM) [snapback]13745[/snapback]
Brockway: Are we sitting on the connubial bed?

Kennealy: Uh-huh. The mattress is different. I saved pieces from the
original mattress. Not to mention the sheets, put away somewhere,
unlaundered--sweat all over them.

Brockway: You mean sweat from the last time you were with him, 25 years ago?

Kennealy: Uh-huh. There's probably something deeply disturbed about that
(laugh)... No, it's that chick thing. You save stuff... your corsage
from the prom...the sheets you fucked on. It's the same sort of thing


A chick thing? Sure. But only if you're some sort of obsessed stalker chick. Personally, I think it's sick.
NP
QUOTE(darkstar @ Apr 19 2007, 04:25 PM) [snapback]13745[/snapback]
Soon after, Jim joined Pamela in Paris. Patricia was furious when she heard the news. "I take my sword out and slice up pillows when I'm mad, and there were quite a few pillows that were decapitated at that time." Then she had a dream.

In the June 1996 issue of "Playgirl" Magazine Patricia was interviewed again by Laurie Sue Brockway. What follows is an excerpt from that interview.[/i]

Brockway: Are we sitting on the connubial bed?

Kennealy: Uh-huh. The mattress is different. I saved pieces from the
original mattress. Not to mention the sheets, put away somewhere,
unlaundered--sweat all over them.

Brockway: You mean sweat from the last time you were with him, 25 years ago?

Kennealy: Uh-huh. There's probably something deeply disturbed about that
(laugh)... No, it's that chick thing. You save stuff... your corsage
from the prom...the sheets you fucked on. It's the same sort of thing


Who saves dirty sheets?! That is sick.

And the sword thing is just scary.
Salli
QUOTE(Night Prowler @ Apr 20 2007, 03:37 AM) [snapback]13752[/snapback]
Who saves dirty sheets?! That is sick.

And the sword thing is just scary.



Why I save dirty sheets. blink.gif I saved my winding sheets from my last incarnation as Elizabeth the First of England... laugh.gif Oh yes, I saved my coronation sword, too rolleyes.gif

I read that Playgirl interview at the time. I learned way more about Kennealy than I ever wanted to know. unsure.gif ohmy.gif The sheets were the least of it. I wish I had a copy to scan for you all. I don't. It's a stunner.

One more thing, when she talked to Victoria Balfour, Patricia was already starting to create her fantasy experience with her fantasy Jim.

Ana
Wow! Wait a minute, that's a lot of information all at once.
I didn't read Patricia's book, or any other book, but I think she fantasized and exagerated about her relationship with Jim Morrison. However all the others did so too. For me she goes in the same bag of all the others, including those who attack her.
I am sure Jim didn't want to go back to her but still I don't like the way some people talk about her and I don't think it's nice to call her "insane". She was one of many women in Jim's life but she was the only with a "talent" to make emotional profit, spiritual profit, or just profit, out of it, even if half of what she tells it's not true. Still I recognize her wits and in a way I'm fascinated by how far she got with it. Congratulations. Cliff Morrison didn't find a place in "general doors" forum.

I confess I haven't read your posts, I skimmed. It's too much information and I don't want to talk about this subject without reading more from both sides of the story. Yes of course I have my own feelings about it and those don't need any books reading, but still I need to read your posts carefully and calmly before advancing any specific comment. I think it would be important to have someone here to defend her, my principles tell me she has that right. And once I am not Jim Morrison, the body, I'm happy to be able to look at it from this perspective where I stand, with a desk and a view.

Maybe I have a few thing to say about this subject (relationship, wedding, abortion, separation) but this is not the time yet.
NP
QUOTE(Ana @ Apr 19 2007, 09:08 PM) [snapback]13756[/snapback]
I think it would be important to have someone here to defend her, my principles tell me she has that right.


I'm pretty sure there is only one person willing to defend PK...where's zaval80? laugh.gif
darkstar
QUOTE(Ana @ Apr 19 2007, 11:08 PM) [snapback]13756[/snapback]
I am sure Jim didn't want to go back to her but still I don't like the way some people talk about her and I don't think it's nice to call her "insane".


You pose a good point, Ana. Why do some of us catagorize Kennealy as "insane." I can't speak for everyone but I can explain my own choice of words. A few years ago Kennealy had her own website where she would spew out horrible threats against people which included bodily harm and even death for any criticism she was given. These threats were made against living and dead people of whom the latter can no longer speak for themselves. In my opinion, people who feel the need to make such threats against others are a little disturbed. I was pleased to see her website leave the net because it turned out to be nothing more than a platform of hate.

Anyone that recalls her website can confirm what am telling you to be true.




jym
Not to mention her guest appearances on other's website's where she proceeded to cause havoc, berating anyone who disagreed with her.
Ana
QUOTE(darkstar @ Apr 20 2007, 03:45 PM) [snapback]13773[/snapback]
You pose a good point, Ana. Why do some of us catagorize Kennealy as "insane." I can't speak for everyone but I can explain my own choice of words. A few years ago Kennealy had her own website where she would spew out horrible threats against people which included bodily harm and even death for any criticism she was given. These threats were made against living and dead people of whom the latter can no longer speak for themselves. In my opinion, people who feel the need to make such threats against others are a little disturbed. I was pleased to see her website leave the net because it turned out to be nothing more than a platform of hate.

Anyone that recalls her website can confirm what am telling you to be true.


I'm still not able to talk about this subject, it is not the time yet. In the last 2 weeks I've had a real serious emotional problem in affairs of the heart, and I haven't recovered, so this is not the time for me to get involved in a discussion like this which involves... emotion.
But I skimmed again through the replies people posted and I like yours in particular Darkstar. I will have to read it carefully. As for what you say about threats she used to write on her website I have no idea. I never saw those threats. I read some pages and it was something about "if you whatever bad karmic things will go for you and whatever". I can't remember much, it sounded like she was angry. Is this what you're refering to? But I never read anything about dead people, yet I didn't read it all.
Maybe people who need or simply do these things because they feel frustrated. Whether they feel frustrated because people attack her so much or because she herself knows that she exagerated a bit, a lot, whatever. Still I think it's fascinating how far she got with it.

Without having read anything and for the time being I can only say that I think in the beginning Jim liked her for her talk; he liked to chat with her. Jim liked women not only for fuck but also to talk and have a conversation, and unlike other type of men he trusted a woman's wisdom. It was words what brought them together and then I think sex, although inevitable, spoiled their friendship and poisoned their relationship. Not because of the sex itself but because of what each of them expected to happen afterwards. And it wasn't the same. Because for Jim it was just spiced friendship - if you know what I mean, but for Patricia it was love. Jim didn't want a compromise and when he began to feel pressured for a commitment he realized he had made a mistake. She is right when she says they were just babies, but in different levels. Her uncontrolable eagerness ended up soffucating Jim and Jim's uncontrolable detachment in affairs of the heart were just a mirror of his unstable emotional maturity.
"He was a lover and an adversary." - I agree with this Patricia says and I understand what she means. There are many things she means with this, things related to feelings and things related to intelectual quest, philosophy. But there is more in this sentence and it's hidden from you and you can't see it. But I do.
My feeling is that Patricia felt towards Jim a little bit like Nico did in the sense that she wanted him as a lover but at the same time she wished she was him. Do you understand what I mean?
Just look at how both women always seemed to carry an obsession for Jim; but not an ordinary kind of obsession.

I don't know what you expect me to say about this woman, maybe nothing because to you my opinion it's just like any other; or not? So I don't know what you expect me to say but I can only speak as Ana and my feelings are that of Ana's because the other feelings that used to be died with the "change of condition". You can't expect me to feel about this subject the same way I might have felt before, because the pressure and circumstances are not here to remind me and to squeeze me. It's something else now.
But like I said I'm sorry, this is not the time for me to talk about this subject. However, I hope that I helped you to understand a bit more about it. I'll read your post carefully, Darkstar, when I'm feeling better.
Salli
QUOTE(Ana @ Apr 20 2007, 05:08 AM) [snapback]13756[/snapback]
Wow! Wait a minute, that's a lot of information all at once.
I didn't read Patricia's book, or any other book, but I think she fantasized and exagerated about her relationship with Jim Morrison. However all the others did so too. For me she goes in the same bag of all the others, including those who attack her.
I am sure Jim didn't want to go back to her but still I don't like the way some people talk about her and I don't think it's nice to call her "insane". She was one of many women in Jim's life but she was the only with a "talent" to make emotional profit, spiritual profit, or just profit, out of it, even if half of what she tells it's not true. Still I recognize her wits and in a way I'm fascinated by how far she got with it. Congratulations. Cliff Morrison didn't find a place in "general doors" forum.

I confess I haven't read your posts, I skimmed. It's too much information and I don't want to talk about this subject without reading more from both sides of the story. Yes of course I have my own feelings about it and those don't need any books reading, but still I need to read your posts carefully and calmly before advancing any specific comment. I think it would be important to have someone here to defend her, my principles tell me she has that right. And once I am not Jim Morrison, the body, I'm happy to be able to look at it from this perspective where I stand, with a desk and a view.

Maybe I have a few thing to say about this subject (relationship, wedding, abortion, separation) but this is not the time yet.


Ana, not all the women who knew Jim or had affairs with him were unrealistic about their relationships with Jim. Not all of them have exaggerated their position. Some do not speak out very much at all, preferring to keep the larger portion of what they lived through private. Peggy Green comes to mind. Others only reveal what will give people a more accurate picture of Jim as he really was, while keeping the more personal interactions private. I don't see Pamela revealing a lot about her relationship with Jim to the public, had she lived. In life, she didn't do interviews about Jim. She took her Jim to her grave.

I wish Patricia had has the grace to do that. Than I wouldn't have to refute her lies about my friend on the LL and now here.

I think Patricia at one time knew how things really stood with Jim. When he tried to get away from her, she became obsessive and stalked him. I think her expectations were crushed when Jim actually said, "no more." When you add her obsession to the woman scorned syndrome, it creates a get even state of mind, an angry, hurt, rejected, and mortified woman.

After Jim died, the mortified Patricia saw her chance to rewrite her humiliation at Jim's hands and get even with him for all the wrong he had done to her. She created over the years a false image of Jim.

The longer the time became after his death, the more she could change the reality of humilation and disappointment and create a new reality where she was adored, more intelligent, quicker witted than Jim and held the special and only real place in his heart. It was not "the" reality though. In her earlier interviews she knew that most of what she was saying was not quite reality.

By the time she wrote her book, she had embellished her role, enlarged the relationship and replaced the true reality with her new reality, thereby regaining her dignity. She became the Lizard Queen. Jim's Consort.

Now I think Patricia actually believes her version of events, rather than the reality of a failed fling. Patricia is obsessed. She now "knows" that she was his "widow." (She is not.) She now knows the baby was Jim's. (It was not.) She now feels she has the right to use Jim in any way she can devise to get money so she can live a comfortable life befitting a rock legend's widow.
As she once said, it is her right, her "astral alimony" from Jim.

Alimony! huh.gif That's what you get in a divorce. blink.gif

Ana says someone should defend Patricia. Why? For lying? For accusing Pamela of murder? For being vicious to Jim's fans? For giving those who read her book and listen to her a Jim who never existed? For this she is owed a defence? I think not.
gotothelight
QUOTE(Salli @ Apr 21 2007, 12:55 AM) [snapback]13795[/snapback]
Ana says someone should defend Patricia. Why? For lying? For accusing Pamela of murder? For being vicious to Jim's fans? For giving those who read her book and listen to her a Jim who never existed? For this she is owed a defence? I think not.


Exactly... which is the whole reason why it bothers me to even give her the time it takes to post about her.
lost little girl
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DeadAsADoorNail
QUOTE(Ana @ Apr 19 2007, 11:08 PM) [snapback]13756[/snapback]
Wow! Wait a minute, that's a lot of information all at once.
I didn't read Patricia's book, or any other book, but I think she fantasized and exagerated about her relationship with Jim Morrison. However all the others did so too. For me she goes in the same bag of all the others, including those who attack her.
I am sure Jim didn't want to go back to her but still I don't like the way some people talk about her and I don't think it's nice to call her "insane". She was one of many women in Jim's life but she was the only with a "talent" to make emotional profit, spiritual profit, or just profit, out of it, even if half of what she tells it's not true. Still I recognize her wits and in a way I'm fascinated by how far she got with it. Congratulations. Cliff Morrison didn't find a place in "general doors" forum.

I confess I haven't read your posts, I skimmed. It's too much information and I don't want to talk about this subject without reading more from both sides of the story. Yes of course I have my own feelings about it and those don't need any books reading, but still I need to read your posts carefully and calmly before advancing any specific comment. I think it would be important to have someone here to defend her, my principles tell me she has that right. And once I am not Jim Morrison, the body, I'm happy to be able to look at it from this perspective where I stand, with a desk and a view.

Maybe I have a few thing to say about this subject (relationship, wedding, abortion, separation) but this is not the time yet.


Ana why are responding in third person? I thought you were absolutely sure about the reasons why you broke up with Patricia. wink.gif
gotothelight
Ana is no longer a member of this board.
lost little girl
dont know guys if you seen it.

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60sbaby
Interesting U-Tube...never saw Jim's other ladies, haven't seen it before. The interviewer accepted all that Patricia said, I still don't think Jim ever thought of her as his wife, and as it has been said before, she lived in a fantasy land about Jim. We all know he had his share of ladies. My older daughter asked me if he was some kind of super lover, that could do it no matter what type of high he was on...of course any female knows when a man can and can't. This video just showed that sometimes "Jim couldn't, just fell asleep" which makes sense, he was high and tired. He was a man in demand. I always want to ask Salli about these types of interviews..these girls could of just been making up their affairs with Jim, except Patricia, but who knows?


QUOTE(lost little girl @ Feb 5 2008, 02:01 AM) [snapback]25520[/snapback]
dont know guys if you seen it.

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the mad hatter
QUOTE(60sbaby @ Feb 5 2008, 09:44 AM) [snapback]25534[/snapback]
Interesting U-Tube...never saw Jim's other ladies,

You can also see patricia in the documentary "the doors - behind the scenes" about oliver stone's movie. She gives an interview.

QUOTE(lost little girl @ Feb 5 2008, 02:01 AM) [snapback]25520[/snapback]
dont know guys if you seen it.

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Very interesting video, lost. Thanks for posting smile.gif
I'm sure the framed photo of pat & jim that appears at the beginning is the only one she has with him laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif (...what an intolerable woman dry.gif )
gotothelight
QUOTE(the mad hatter @ Feb 6 2008, 06:02 AM) [snapback]25557[/snapback]
You can also see patricia in the documentary "the doors - behind the scenes" about oliver stone's movie. She gives an interview.


Very interesting video, lost. Thanks for posting smile.gif
I'm sure the framed photo of pat & jim that appears at the beginning is the only one she has with him laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif (...what an intolerable woman dry.gif )


The few times I've ever seen PK interviewed.. I can't even stand the sound of her voice, and her delusions get on every nerve I have. It's weird.. but she talks about how much she still loves Jim....... yet I truly think she doesn't love him at all. In fact, I pretty much think she would have to almost hate him to do what she's doing. My take is that she hates him for "dumping" her.. and has carried around this vendetta ever since. If you really love someone, you would make sure that person is remembered as honestly as possible. Telling a whole bunch of lies about them after they're gone isn't love. In her case, it's probably a combination of hate and revenge. Very sad.

I personally have never seen any other photos of "the happy couple". I realize that some people don't go armed with a camera everywhere they go..... but one would think that on one's wedding day...... there would be at least one photo...

It almost nauseates me to even discuss this woman. What a disturbing existance it must be to live your whole life in the fantasy world of your own head.
the mad hatter
QUOTE(gotothelight @ Feb 6 2008, 03:18 AM) [snapback]25559[/snapback]
The few times I've ever seen PK interviewed.. I can't even stand the sound of her voice, and her delusions get on every nerve I have. It's weird.. but she talks about how much she still loves Jim....... yet I truly think she doesn't love him at all. In fact, I pretty much think she would have to almost hate him to do what she's doing. My take is that she hates him for "dumping" her.. and has carried around this vendetta ever since. If you really love someone, you would make sure that person is remembered as honestly as possible. Telling a whole bunch of lies about them after they're gone isn't love. In her case, it's probably a combination of hate and revenge. Very sad.

I personally have never seen any other photos of "the happy couple". I realize that some people don't go armed with a camera everywhere they go..... but one would think that on one's wedding day...... there would be at least one photo...

It almost nauseates me to even discuss this woman. What a disturbing existance it must be to live your whole life in the fantasy world of your own head.

Great post. I couldn't have expressed it better myself. She's still bitter about jim dumping her, which she considers a humiliation, and needs to get her own back for it becoming herself in legendary lizard king's widow (i think she used to have a website called "the lizard queen"). How pathetic.

As i understand it, she wrote in her book that if pamela wouldn't have died in 1974, she would go to california to kill her. I don't know for sure if this is true, but, if so, not only she's pathetic and disgusting, but also needs urgent mental help. Very urgent mad.gif
gotothelight
QUOTE(the mad hatter @ Feb 6 2008, 06:41 AM) [snapback]25560[/snapback]
As i understand it, she wrote in her book that if pamela wouldn't have died in 1974, she would go to california to kill her. I don't know for sure if this is true, but, if so, not only she's pathetic and disgusting, but also needs urgent mental help. Very urgent mad.gif


I'd have to read that part of the book again (and I really dont want to...) to remember exactly what she wrote, but I do remember something along those lines. My opinion is that the woman certainly is mentally disturbed... although as far as "help" goes.. I think that ship may have already sailed...
MeagerFood521
QUOTE(the mad hatter @ Feb 6 2008, 11:41 AM) [snapback]25560[/snapback]
Great post. I couldn't have expressed it better myself. She's still bitter about jim dumping her, which she considers a humiliation, and needs to get her own back for it becoming herself in legendary lizard king's widow (i think she used to have a website called "the lizard queen"). How pathetic.

As i understand it, she wrote in her book that if pamela wouldn't have died in 1974, she would go to california to kill her. I don't know for sure if this is true, but, if so, not only she's pathetic and disgusting, but also needs urgent mental help. Very urgent mad.gif



I have seen pics. of the many women Jim dated and all were quite beautiful. Can't say the same for PK...also, do not see ANY of them
continuing their fantasy.........yes, she does need URGENT help!!!!!!!!!!!!
lost little girl
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DarkSide
I was wondering how PK looks like today, so I was searching for a photo in the internet but the pics I found were pretty old.

There was a website that had a recent PK photo but unfortunately it was removed.
Though the photo was removed from the original website, you can still take a look:

PK - Pic

It`s the first pic top left.
60sbaby
lost little girl: I agree, Patricia was not one that you would think Jim would have been physically attracted to..but...it has been mentioned his first attraction to her was her intellectual conversation...and then the affair. She was much younger when she knew Jim, but like all have said, it was not what she has made it to be.

QUOTE(lost little girl @ Feb 6 2008, 11:24 AM) [snapback]25593[/snapback]
that woman is living in the past, and her mind stayed there.
she is very repulsive in any way possible and i dont know really what Jim seen in her.

mellow.gif

lost little girl
QUOTE (DarkSide @ Feb 6 2008, 09:38 PM) *
I was wondering how PK looks like today, so I was searching for a photo in the internet but the pics I found were pretty old.

There was a website that had a recent PK photo but unfortunately it was removed.
Though the photo was removed from the original website, you can still take a look:

PK - Pic

It`s the first pic top left.


thanks for the pic Dark !
lost little girl
QUOTE (60sbaby @ Feb 6 2008, 09:38 PM) *
lost little girl: I agree, Patricia was not one that you would think Jim would have been physically attracted to..but...it has been mentioned his first attraction to her was her intellectual conversation...and then the affair. She was much younger when she knew Jim, but like all have said, it was not what she has made it to be.


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gotothelight
QUOTE(lost little girl @ Feb 7 2008, 02:05 AM) [snapback]25608[/snapback]
i am sure she manipulated Jim.
and that pisses me off, cos that woman now gives herself the right to insult anyone who is not agreeing with her.


I think you hit on a good point there. People who insult others just for not agreeing with them is pretty telling. Someone Like PK... always on the nasty defensive.. pretty much paints a picture of someone who's lying. I really believe that anyone who's telling the truth would have no need to get so defensive. The practice of constantly insulting anyone who doesn't agree always raises a red-flag for me.
lost little girl
QUOTE (gotothelight @ Feb 7 2008, 02:03 PM) *
I think you hit on a good point there. People who insult others just for not agreeing with them is pretty telling. Someone Like PK... always on the nasty defensive.. pretty much paints a picture of someone who's lying. I really believe that anyone who's telling the truth would have no need to get so defensive. The practice of constantly insulting anyone who doesn't agree always raises a red-flag for me.


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mewsical
QUOTE(gotothelight @ Feb 7 2008, 05:03 AM) [snapback]25617[/snapback]
I think you hit on a good point there. People who insult others just for not agreeing with them is pretty telling. Someone Like PK... always on the nasty defensive.. pretty much paints a picture of someone who's lying. I really believe that anyone who's telling the truth would have no need to get so defensive. The practice of constantly insulting anyone who doesn't agree always raises a red-flag for me.


I think she's been attacked so many times, she's permanently on the defensive. What I don't understand - or maybe I do - is why she continues on with this fantasy. Of course, she is primarily known as a fantasy writer, so I think that speaks for itself. She has plenty of supporters, judging by her MySpace page and her blog, so she should simply resist the temptation to insult and argue with those who don't believe her, and ignore them.

DarkSide
QUOTE(lost little girl @ Feb 7 2008, 08:00 AM) [snapback]25607[/snapback]
she looks like a witch !



No, like a
lost little girl
QUOTE(DarkSide @ Feb 8 2008, 12:30 AM) [snapback]25635[/snapback]
No, like a



MeagerFood521
QUOTE(lost little girl @ Feb 7 2008, 07:00 AM) [snapback]25607[/snapback]
thanks for the pic Dark !
she looks like a witch !




Wow Dark!!!!!!!! I truly thought my screen was gonna crack when I brought those pics. up! ha ha (yea, so Meager will burn in
hell for being so mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
T. well said. j.
DarkSide
QUOTE(MeagerFood521 @ Feb 8 2008, 12:29 PM) [snapback]25644[/snapback]
yea, so Meager will burn in hell for being so mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).


No, not in hell - you will end up in PK`s cauldron, Jacky!


MeagerFood521
QUOTE(DarkSide @ Feb 8 2008, 06:57 PM) [snapback]25661[/snapback]
No, not in hell - you will end up in PK`s cauldron, Jacky!



Say it isn't so Dark!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anywhere but there...however, Meagerfood would be a tasty snack for her and her coven huh?
Sooooooooooo ifin' yas don't see any posts from Meager for a time...SHE GOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HALP!!!! ohmy.gif
Wendy
Now she, is one strange lady. I've read a few things about her and from her, and all I can say is, wow, somebody needs to get a life already. Jim's been gone what, 30 years? I wonder if she has a wax doll of him in her room. tongue.gif
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