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post Jun 16 2009, 02:17 PM
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It's amazing to listen to L.A. Woman and hear such a mature Morrison and the Doors, way stripped down,blues. Also by adding musicians Jerry Scheff and Marc Benno we get a new flavor and collaboration like never before. This album took gut's by all parties involved and it took gut's from Paul Rothchild to walk away. A lot of the music from the late 60's an early 70's was overproduced and The Doors went back to basics for L.A.Woman, Morrison sounds more at ease and comfortable within himself on this album, he's shed the leathers and is looking at his artistic makeup in a very different light,no lizard king, more like a man with the blues who has the writing skills and voice to deliver it to the masses, backed by a powerhouse band, guys that read his face. The lizard king shed his skin on this album, he comes off raw but his voice is perfect for what he wanted to convey. The Changeling is a link in to the mind of Morrison, want change,need change,only I can change myself,I'm strong,hear me I'm gonna do it,see me change.L.A. Woman is an epic song played at every Lakers game,played on every radio station,played by all of us on our I pods,but to me the naked truth lies in The Cars Hiss By My Windows amd Morrison whispers and hums with distant and vacant thoughts,Little Walter sounds creep thru a century quickly being taken over by computers, conglomerates and war without draft, numb. Hyacinth House remains a glorious relic, a gift to those that are alive today,a lament.I think this album contains a Morrison driven band,no more acid,no more tricks,finally Morrison stripped his persona down to someone he be at peace with,his blues singing is excellent. This is what I had to say as an observation of a great band and a great man.
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QUOTE (mojosmoothy @ Jun 16 2009, 03:17 PM) *
It's amazing to listen to L.A. Woman and hear such a mature Morrison and the Doors, way stripped down,blues. Also by adding musicians Jerry Scheff and Marc Benno we get a new flavor and collaboration like never before. This album took gut's by all parties involved and it took gut's from Paul Rothchild to walk away. A lot of the music from the late 60's an early 70's was overproduced and The Doors went back to basics for L.A.Woman, Morrison sounds more at ease and comfortable within himself on this album, he's shed the leathers and is looking at his artistic makeup in a very different light,no lizard king, more like a man with the blues who has the writing skills and voice to deliver it to the masses, backed by a powerhouse band, guys that read his face. The lizard king shed his skin on this album, he comes off raw but his voice is perfect for what he wanted to convey. The Changeling is a link in to the mind of Morrison, want change,need change,only I can change myself,I'm strong,hear me I'm gonna do it,see me change.L.A. Woman is an epic song played at every Lakers game,played on every radio station,played by all of us on our I pods,but to me the naked truth lies in The Cars Hiss By My Windows amd Morrison whispers and hums with distant and vacant thoughts,Little Walter sounds creep thru a century quickly being taken over by computers, conglomerates and war without draft, numb. Hyacinth House remains a glorious relic, a gift to those that are alive today,a lament.I think this album contains a Morrison driven band,no more acid,no more tricks,finally Morrison stripped his persona down to someone he be at peace with,his blues singing is excellent. This is what I had to say as an observation of a great band and a great man.

Ps, Morrison hit a record 32 tecate beers one day recording this album,my boy.
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QUOTE (mojosmoothy @ Jun 16 2009, 03:17 PM) *
It's amazing to listen to L.A. Woman and hear such a mature Morrison and the Doors, way stripped down,blues. Also by adding musicians Jerry Scheff and Marc Benno we get a new flavor and collaboration like never before. This album took gut's by all parties involved and it took gut's from Paul Rothchild to walk away.


It was Paul's last duty as their producer, to simply sit down and let the crew run the ship. They knew what to do at that point. I've watched both Paul and Bruce at work in the studio. Masters of the craft, but very different in their approach. In this case, the end result speaks for itself.

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A lot of the music from the late 60's an early 70's was overproduced and The Doors went back to basics for L.A.Woman, Morrison sounds more at ease and comfortable within himself on this album, he's shed the leathers and is looking at his artistic makeup in a very different light,no lizard king, more like a man with the blues who has the writing skills and voice to deliver it to the masses, backed by a powerhouse band, guys that read his face. The lizard king shed his skin on this album, he comes off raw but his voice is perfect for what he wanted to convey. The Changeling is a link in to the mind of Morrison, want change,need change,only I can change myself,I'm strong,hear me I'm gonna do it,see me change.L.A. Woman is an epic song played at every Lakers game,played on every radio station,played by all of us on our I pods,but to me the naked truth lies in The Cars Hiss By My Windows amd Morrison whispers and hums with distant and vacant thoughts,Little Walter sounds creep thru a century quickly being taken over by computers, conglomerates and war without draft, numb. Hyacinth House remains a glorious relic, a gift to those that are alive today,a lament.I think this album contains a Morrison driven band,no more acid,no more tricks,finally Morrison stripped his persona down to someone he be at peace with,his blues singing is excellent. This is what I had to say as an observation of a great band and a great man.


Jim signed out of this band at the top of his game, imo. It all came together with LA Woman, and he could walk away knowing he did the best he could and that he gave everything he had. After that, he wanted to return to the more private world of film and poetry.
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QUOTE (mojosmoothy @ Jun 16 2009, 11:17 PM) *
It's amazing to listen to L.A. Woman and hear such a mature Morrison and the Doors, way stripped down,blues. Also by adding musicians Jerry Scheff and Marc Benno we get a new flavor and collaboration like never before. This album took gut's by all parties involved and it took gut's from Paul Rothchild to walk away. A lot of the music from the late 60's an early 70's was overproduced and The Doors went back to basics for L.A.Woman, Morrison sounds more at ease and comfortable within himself on this album, he's shed the leathers and is looking at his artistic makeup in a very different light,no lizard king, more like a man with the blues who has the writing skills and voice to deliver it to the masses, backed by a powerhouse band, guys that read his face. The lizard king shed his skin on this album, he comes off raw but his voice is perfect for what he wanted to convey. The Changeling is a link in to the mind of Morrison, want change,need change,only I can change myself,I'm strong,hear me I'm gonna do it,see me change.L.A. Woman is an epic song played at every Lakers game,played on every radio station,played by all of us on our I pods,but to me the naked truth lies in The Cars Hiss By My Windows amd Morrison whispers and hums with distant and vacant thoughts,Little Walter sounds creep thru a century quickly being taken over by computers, conglomerates and war without draft, numb. Hyacinth House remains a glorious relic, a gift to those that are alive today,a lament.I think this album contains a Morrison driven band,no more acid,no more tricks,finally Morrison stripped his persona down to someone he be at peace with,his blues singing is excellent. This is what I had to say as an observation of a great band and a great man.


Great observation...I agree.
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post Jun 16 2009, 09:15 PM
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I have been listening to the LA Woman album too and Waiting for the sun, another album with great songs but IMO I like Morrison hotel as it has a slight blues and jazz feel and was a comeback album for the doors at the time. LA woman does have some mediocre cuts on it but pretty significant in style. Morrison has a great voice on the first album which was never to be repeated again, it just had a nice sound and technology to balance it out but Morrison hotel for me anyday.
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QUOTE (mojosmoothy @ Jun 16 2009, 06:17 PM) *
It's amazing to listen to L.A. Woman and hear such a mature Morrison and the Doors, way stripped down,blues. Also by adding musicians Jerry Scheff and Marc Benno we get a new flavor and collaboration like never before. This album took gut's by all parties involved and it took gut's from Paul Rothchild to walk away. A lot of the music from the late 60's an early 70's was overproduced and The Doors went back to basics for L.A.Woman, Morrison sounds more at ease and comfortable within himself on this album, he's shed the leathers and is looking at his artistic makeup in a very different light,no lizard king, more like a man with the blues who has the writing skills and voice to deliver it to the masses, backed by a powerhouse band, guys that read his face. The lizard king shed his skin on this album, he comes off raw but his voice is perfect for what he wanted to convey. The Changeling is a link in to the mind of Morrison, want change,need change,only I can change myself,I'm strong,hear me I'm gonna do it,see me change.L.A. Woman is an epic song played at every Lakers game,played on every radio station,played by all of us on our I pods,but to me the naked truth lies in The Cars Hiss By My Windows amd Morrison whispers and hums with distant and vacant thoughts,Little Walter sounds creep thru a century quickly being taken over by computers, conglomerates and war without draft, numb. Hyacinth House remains a glorious relic, a gift to those that are alive today,a lament.I think this album contains a Morrison driven band,no more acid,no more tricks,finally Morrison stripped his persona down to someone he be at peace with,his blues singing is excellent. This is what I had to say as an observation of a great band and a great man.


OK calm down already. Just kidding.

Preach it, brother! What a Doors fan wouldn't give to hear their final performance on stage. Robby's use of the wah wah hooked me on The Changeling as a kid. The live version with Jim is visceral. They really open up LA Woman and extend it to a whisper and build it up again. I wonder if the Doors didn't realize that this form of musical structure is what bored them to break up on stage as the final nail in their coffin. It's hard to believe Jim alive, and continuing with the Doors. The speculation is what kills me. Retaining what exists seems the most important. And your assessment of their final album with Jim I can agree left the listener begging for more music. And that begging is what I believe really turns Doors fans on is the idea they can create their own thoughts into meaningful consumption for people to take away with and do the same but in their own way. But the Doors will always live in the darkness. I feel the Doors were best described in Rolling Stone (a rag I never read) simply as the dusky jewel in the crown of rock and roll, and one of its' brightest. I've been drinking tonight.
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QUOTE (mojosmoothy @ Jun 16 2009, 06:17 PM) *
It's amazing to listen to L.A. Woman and hear such a mature Morrison and the Doors, way stripped down,blues. Also by adding musicians Jerry Scheff and Marc Benno we get a new flavor and collaboration like never before. This album took gut's by all parties involved and it took gut's from Paul Rothchild to walk away. A lot of the music from the late 60's an early 70's was overproduced and The Doors went back to basics for L.A.Woman, Morrison sounds more at ease and comfortable within himself on this album, he's shed the leathers and is looking at his artistic makeup in a very different light,no lizard king, more like a man with the blues who has the writing skills and voice to deliver it to the masses, backed by a powerhouse band, guys that read his face. The lizard king shed his skin on this album, he comes off raw but his voice is perfect for what he wanted to convey. The Changeling is a link in to the mind of Morrison, want change,need change,only I can change myself,I'm strong,hear me I'm gonna do it,see me change.L.A. Woman is an epic song played at every Lakers game,played on every radio station,played by all of us on our I pods,but to me the naked truth lies in The Cars Hiss By My Windows amd Morrison whispers and hums with distant and vacant thoughts,Little Walter sounds creep thru a century quickly being taken over by computers, conglomerates and war without draft, numb. Hyacinth House remains a glorious relic, a gift to those that are alive today,a lament.I think this album contains a Morrison driven band,no more acid,no more tricks,finally Morrison stripped his persona down to someone he be at peace with,his blues singing is excellent. This is what I had to say as an observation of a great band and a great man.


Very good post Tim. L.A Woman is my favorite Doors album. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it.
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post Jun 17 2009, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE (mutenostrilagony @ Jun 16 2009, 10:15 PM) *
I have been listening to the LA Woman album too and Waiting for the sun, another album with great songs but IMO I like Morrison hotel as it has a slight blues and jazz feel and was a comeback album for the doors at the time. LA woman does have some mediocre cuts on it but pretty significant in style. Morrison has a great voice on the first album which was never to be repeated again, it just had a nice sound and technology to balance it out but Morrison hotel for me anyday.

On any given day I'll waffle around on Doors albums,there's something exceptional in all of them but I do find resolve and a culmination in LA Woman,the loss of fear to have to prove themselves,content over production technique,freedom.
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QUOTE (mojosmoothy @ Jun 16 2009, 02:17 PM) *
It's amazing to listen to L.A. Woman and hear such a mature Morrison and the Doors, way stripped down,blues. Also by adding musicians Jerry Scheff and Marc Benno we get a new flavor and collaboration like never before. This album took gut's by all parties involved and it took gut's from Paul Rothchild to walk away. A lot of the music from the late 60's an early 70's was overproduced and The Doors went back to basics for L.A.Woman, Morrison sounds more at ease and comfortable within himself on this album, he's shed the leathers and is looking at his artistic makeup in a very different light,no lizard king, more like a man with the blues who has the writing skills and voice to deliver it to the masses, backed by a powerhouse band, guys that read his face. The lizard king shed his skin on this album, he comes off raw but his voice is perfect for what he wanted to convey. The Changeling is a link in to the mind of Morrison, want change,need change,only I can change myself,I'm strong,hear me I'm gonna do it,see me change.L.A. Woman is an epic song played at every Lakers game,played on every radio station,played by all of us on our I pods,but to me the naked truth lies in The Cars Hiss By My Windows amd Morrison whispers and hums with distant and vacant thoughts,Little Walter sounds creep thru a century quickly being taken over by computers, conglomerates and war without draft, numb. Hyacinth House remains a glorious relic, a gift to those that are alive today,a lament.I think this album contains a Morrison driven band,no more acid,no more tricks,finally Morrison stripped his persona down to someone he be at peace with,his blues singing is excellent. This is what I had to say as an observation of a great band and a great man.



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QUOTE (mojosmoothy @ Jun 16 2009, 03:17 PM) *
It's amazing to listen to L.A. Woman and hear such a mature Morrison and the Doors, way stripped down,blues. Also by adding musicians Jerry Scheff and Marc Benno we get a new flavor and collaboration like never before. This album took gut's by all parties involved and it took gut's from Paul Rothchild to walk away. A lot of the music from the late 60's an early 70's was overproduced and The Doors went back to basics for L.A.Woman, Morrison sounds more at ease and comfortable within himself on this album, he's shed the leathers and is looking at his artistic makeup in a very different light,no lizard king, more like a man with the blues who has the writing skills and voice to deliver it to the masses, backed by a powerhouse band, guys that read his face. The lizard king shed his skin on this album, he comes off raw but his voice is perfect for what he wanted to convey. The Changeling is a link in to the mind of Morrison, want change,need change,only I can change myself,I'm strong,hear me I'm gonna do it,see me change.L.A. Woman is an epic song played at every Lakers game,played on every radio station,played by all of us on our I pods,but to me the naked truth lies in The Cars Hiss By My Windows amd Morrison whispers and hums with distant and vacant thoughts,Little Walter sounds creep thru a century quickly being taken over by computers, conglomerates and war without draft, numb. Hyacinth House remains a glorious relic, a gift to those that are alive today,a lament.I think this album contains a Morrison driven band,no more acid,no more tricks,finally Morrison stripped his persona down to someone he be at peace with,his blues singing is excellent. This is what I had to say as an observation of a great band and a great man.


Very nice and accurate post...

however...jim was a blues man from the beginning...he couldn't help it...he was indeeded to ray

the difference in this album i think lies in taking out a spice and the soup tastes different...no Rothschild's hello blues...I personal think that is the difference...a mature jim, i'm sorry that just boggles the mind...
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QUOTE (worm man @ Jun 18 2009, 01:45 AM) *
Very nice and accurate post...

however...jim was a blues man from the beginning...he couldn't help it...he was indeeded to ray

the difference in this album i think lies in taking out a spice and the soup tastes different...no Rothschild's hello blues...I personal think that is the difference...a mature jim, i'm sorry that just boggles the mind...


When I got to know him, he was mature. I can't relate to whoever he was before, say, the end of 1969 - all the drunk antics and what not, that made him appear like a doofus. You had to be on your intellectual toes to have a conversation with him, trust me. He and Paul Rothchild were both exceptionally smart men, let alone Jac Holzman. That was the interesting part of the Doors, that Jim and Ray, at the least, were college graduates. Not common in those days. Jagger had some advanced education, as did Lennon, but rock music was not associated with college puddings.
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QUOTE (mewsical @ Jun 18 2009, 07:39 AM) *
When I got to know him, he was mature. I can't relate to whoever he was before, say, the end of 1969 - all the drunk antics and what not, that made him appear like a doofus. You had to be on your intellectual toes to have a conversation with him, trust me. He and Paul Rothchild were both exceptionally smart men, let alone Jac Holzman. That was the interesting part of the Doors, that Jim and Ray, at the least, were college graduates. Not common in those days. Jagger had some advanced education, as did Lennon, but rock music was not associated with college puddings.


So he was mature...i took him to be an incurable adolescent not wishing to take responsibility for his actions...

What sets jim apart from many of the jim wannabees is the fact he was educated and more to the point i think is that jim read and memorized over 1000 books in his life...try that on a full belly of beer...
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QUOTE (worm man @ Jun 18 2009, 01:45 AM) *
Very nice and accurate post...

however...jim was a blues man from the beginning...he couldn't help it...he was indeeded to ray

the difference in this album i think lies in taking out a spice and the soup tastes different...no Rothschild's hello blues...I personal think that is the difference...a mature jim, i'm sorry that just boggles the mind...

I agree with you about Jim being a blues man but Ray has nothing to do with that,you either got the blues or you don't.Morrison didn't rely on his old persona to create this album,he stripped away the sex appeal,he confronted himself and challenged his knowledge and power of the written word. Yes he always was an old blues man from the beginning and we can hear that in all the albums,but in LA Woman he discarded the old tricks and exposed the vulnerable part of himself like he never had done before, he in many way's wrote a personal hard look at himself good and bad,he confronted himself and put it out for all to hear. This is what only a true artist can do, purge and purify and move on.
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So he was mature...i took him to be an incurable adolescent not wishing to take responsibility for his actions...

What sets jim apart from many of the jim wannabees is the fact he was educated and more to the point i think is that jim read and memorized over 1000 books in his life...try that on a full belly of beer...


After Jim and I had our first meeting, which I think you probably know about, he did in fact try and find me to apologize for his behavior. He took responsibility for his actions in that case at the least. I believe he also tried to contact Janis to apologize to her for behaving badly, and may have done so. That could have been something that Paul Ferrara wrote about. I haven't read that book though.

There are many people, Jim wanna-be's or just Doors fans, who somehow lack that quality after offending people. The old, "Hey, I'm sorry, I was out of line." Goes a very long way.
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After Jim and I had our first meeting, which I think you probably know about, he did in fact try and find me to apologize for his behavior. He took responsibility for his actions in that case at the least. I believe he also tried to contact Janis to apologize to her for behaving badly, and may have done so. That could have been something that Paul Ferrara wrote about. I haven't read that book though.

There are many people, Jim wanna-be's or just Doors fans, who somehow lack that quality after offending people. The old, "Hey, I'm sorry, I was out of line." Goes a very long way.

Morrison knew of Camus and Sisyphus,he may have out thought the great thinkers,Sarte,Kirkegard,and so many more. If so he completed his life in a shorter span than most but he was fulfilled by his action and art and free to leave at his will.
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Morrison knew of Camus and Sisyphus,he may have out thought the great thinkers,Sarte,Kirkegard,and so many more. If so he completed his life in a shorter span than most but he was fulfilled by his action and art and free to leave at his will.


Oh so true. Whether he left at his will remains debatable, but Jim enjoyed a good debate. That's what minds are for.
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Oh so true. Whether he left at his will remains debatable, but Jim enjoyed a good debate. That's what minds are for.

Thanks always Mews for your steadfast kindness and I'd really like to thank Diane and Jim for being stand up people in a position that isn't that easy,thank you both.It's got to be hells bells as I know your both devoted to The Doors and have your own strong opinions, you do a great job non the less. Much respect to both of you.TS
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I agree with you about Jim being a blues man but Ray has nothing to do with that,you either got the blues or you don't.Morrison didn't rely on his old persona to create this album,he stripped away the sex appeal,he confronted himself and challenged his knowledge and power of the written word. Yes he always was an old blues man from the beginning and we can hear that in all the albums,but in LA Woman he discarded the old tricks and exposed the vulnerable part of himself like he never had done before, he in many way's wrote a personal hard look at himself good and bad,he confronted himself and put it out for all to hear. This is what only a true artist can do, purge and purify and move on.


yes he was the old blues man.....but i think if he met Robbie first he woulda done flamenco to death...
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After Jim and I had our first meeting, which I think you probably know about, he did in fact try and find me to apologize for his behavior. He took responsibility for his actions in that case at the least. I believe he also tried to contact Janis to apologize to her for behaving badly, and may have done so. That could have been something that Paul Ferrara wrote about. I haven't read that book though.

There are many people, Jim wanna-be's or just Doors fans, who somehow lack that quality after offending people. The old, "Hey, I'm sorry, I was out of line." Goes a very long way.


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